2012 Bats Look Totally Different

[cinreds21]

Originally Posted by Tony Cloninger

Where did Rick Sweet go again? Thanks

He's the Reds' catching coordinator.

[Tony Cloninger]

Originally Posted by cinreds21

He's the Reds' catching coordinator.

Wow....from manager to that? I think he would be a good manager myself.

You are pretty well versed on Reds system....what do you think of the 2 recent trades?

Thank You

[cinreds21]

Originally Posted by Tony Cloninger

Wow....from manager to that? I think he would be a good manager myself.

You are pretty well versed on Reds system....what do you think of the 2 recent trades?

Thank You

I like the Latos deal more. At first, I didn't like the deal because of including Boxberger but the more I thought about it, the more I liked it. The Reds gave up three players (Volquez, Grandal, Alonso) who were inevitably going to get traded. All three were blocked on the depth chart. Yonder might have started off next season as the starting left fielder, but he's just brutal there. You guy a guy in Latos who is still cheap as he's not eligible for arbitration yet. If they went out and got another guy (Gio Gonzalez, James Shields, ect) it would have cost way more than Latos.
As for the Marshall deal, I don't know. I think we can all agree we vastly overpaid for this one. I understand giving up Wood and possibly even Sappelt, but including Torreyes, to me, was a big blow. Then again he has only played in Low-A and the Reds still have a ton of infield depth in Didi Gregorious and Henry Rodriguez.

[Tony Cloninger]

Originally Posted by cinreds21

I like the Latos deal more. At first, I didn't like the deal because of including Boxberger but the more I thought about it, the more I liked it. The Reds gave up three players (Volquez, Grandal, Alonso) who were inevitably going to get traded. All three were blocked on the depth chart. Yonder might have started off next season as the starting left fielder, but he's just brutal there. You guy a guy in Latos who is still cheap as he's not eligible for arbitration yet. If they went out and got another guy (Gio Gonzalez, James Shields, ect) it would have cost way more than Latos.
As for the Marshall deal, I don't know. I think we can all agree we vastly overpaid for this one. I understand giving up Wood and possibly even Sappelt, but including Torreyes, to me, was a big blow. Then again he has only played in Low-A and the Reds still have a ton of infield depth in Didi Gregorious and Henry Rodriguez.

Now let's hope this coaching staff can get Latos going in the right direction.

Always tough to trade prospects you like but it had to be done eventually.
I wished Brox and Torreyes would have been kept out of it but what can you do.

[Scrap Irony]

Relievers
Carlos Fisher—Reliever
Andrew Brackman—Reliever
Nick Christiani—Reliever
Jeremy Horst—Reliever
Kyle McCulloch—Starter/ Long man
Jordan Smith—Middle reliever
Kanekoa Texeira—Reliever
Comment: The strength of the team here. All have enough interesting tidbits to be considered as major league guys, but only Brackman looks like a difference-maker in that area. And that only if he can throw strikes. A nice mix of stuff, arm slots, and angles.
Starters
Aroldis Chapman—Starter
Chad Reinke—Starter
Matt Klinker—Starter
Luis Atilano—Starter
Scott Carroll—Starter
Comment: Chapman’s the main focus here. Everyone else is basically chaff, though I like Carroll’s stuff and Atilano’s history looks intriguing. Klinker may surprise. A solid staff for AAA.
C Corky Miller
C Brian Esposito
Comment: Meh. At least they’ll be coaches on the field. Nice to have them with the young staff at Slugger Field.
Infield
SS Jose Castro
3B Mike Costanzo
MI Kris Negron
1B Neftali Soto
2B Chris Valaika
Comment: This infield has all the makings of an interesting AAAA infield. Castro and Negron can play great defense. Soto can hit. Costanzo hit last season in Bakersfield and Chattanooga. Valaika has hit one or twice in his career. Only Soto, however, looks like a legitimate prospect for Cincinnati.
OF
OF/1B/DH Danny Dorn
OF Daryl Jones
RF/CF Denis Phipps
2B/LF Cody Puckett
LF Bill Rhinehart
Comment: A good outfield for AAA, with upside in Phipps, power in Puckett’s bat and Rhinehart’s as well. Dorn plays versus RH and gives a blow to Soto. Puckett plays some 2B, especially when Valaika moves around the IF, at 3B or SS to rest those guys. Phipps and Puckett look like interesting bats for the major league level, but Rhinehart might help more.

[cinreds21]

Originally Posted by Scrap Irony

Relievers
Carlos Fisher—Reliever
Andrew Brackman—Reliever
Nick Christiani—Reliever
Jeremy Horst—Reliever
Kyle McCulloch—Starter/ Long man
Jordan Smith—Middle reliever
Kanekoa Texeira—Reliever
Comment: The strength of the team here. All have enough interesting tidbits to be considered as major league guys, but only Brackman looks like a difference-maker in that area. And that only if he can throw strikes. A nice mix of stuff, arm slots, and angles.
Starters
Aroldis Chapman—Starter
Chad Reinke—Starter
Matt Klinker—Starter
Luis Atilano—Starter
Scott Carroll—Starter
Comment: Chapman’s the main focus here. Everyone else is basically chaff, though I like Carroll’s stuff and Atilano’s history looks intriguing. Klinker may surprise. A solid staff for AAA.
C Corky Miller
C Brian Esposito
Comment: Meh. At least they’ll be coaches on the field. Nice to have them with the young staff at Slugger Field.
Infield
SS Jose Castro
3B Mike Costanzo
MI Kris Negron
1B Neftali Soto
2B Chris Valaika
Comment: This infield has all the makings of an interesting AAAA infield. Castro and Negron can play great defense. Soto can hit. Costanzo hit last season in Bakersfield and Chattanooga. Valaika has hit one or twice in his career. Only Soto, however, looks like a legitimate prospect for Cincinnati.
OF
OF/1B/DH Danny Dorn
OF Daryl Jones
RF/CF Denis Phipps
2B/LF Cody Puckett
LF Bill Rhinehart
Comment: A good outfield for AAA, with upside in Phipps, power in Puckett’s bat and Rhinehart’s as well. Dorn plays versus RH and gives a blow to Soto. Puckett plays some 2B, especially when Valaika moves around the IF, at 3B or SS to rest those guys. Phipps and Puckett look like interesting bats for the major league level, but Rhinehart might help more.

He didn't play in Bakersfield at all. And Chattanooga, uh....

[corkedbat]

Originally Posted by cinreds21

He didn't play in Bakersfield at all. And Chattanooga, uh....

May have been thinking about Eric Campbell

[cinreds21]

Yeah, maybe so. Didn't think about that. Nevertheless he's with Seattle. (And I wasn't trying to be mean in my response to him. Just giving him a hard time, not ill intended at all.)

[texasdave]

josh judy travis mattair

[mth123]

Originally Posted by texasdave

josh judy travis mattair

Clayton Tanner, Brandon Hynick, Travis Webb, Joseph Krebs, Sean Gallagher, Miguel Rojas, Felix Perez??

Some guys will probably be getting released. Especially among the pitchers. If Hotchkiss and Fairel are healthy to go with Villareal, Sulbaran, Crabbe and Ravin, there won't be room to push them back to AA.

[Scrap Irony]

Costanzo hit between Louisville and Chattanooga. That's what I meant. He's not great, but he's what they have.

Judy, IMO, is in Cincinnati.

The others will be released or sent back to AA. (The only logjam the Reds have is in the middle infield, and, with the deal of Torreyes and the injury of Rodriguez, that's not as binding as it once was.)

That's my opinion, anyway. If you think you can do better, by all means, do it to it.

[mth123]

Here's my shot. I think Chapman will end up in the bullpen and eventually settle in as the closer.

Rotation
Reineke
Atilano
Tanner
Carroll
Gallagher

Bullpen
Judy
Brackman
Christiani
Klinker
Horst
Webb
Texiera

Dealt for PTBNL or released: Fisher, Smith, Krebs, Hynick, McCulloch

C - Miller
C - Esposito
1B - Soto
2B - Valaika
SS - Negron
3B - Costanzo
IF - Rojas
LF - Rhinehart
CF - Jones
RF - Phipps
DH - Dorn
OF - F. Perez

Castro, Mattair and Puckett to AA

[cinreds21]

Originally Posted by Scrap Irony

Costanzo hit between Louisville and Chattanooga. That's what I meant. He's not great, but he's what they have.

Judy, IMO, is in Cincinnati.

The others will be released or sent back to AA. (The only logjam the Reds have is in the middle infield, and, with the deal of Torreyes and the injury of Rodriguez, that's not as binding as it once was.)

That's my opinion, anyway. If you think you can do better, by all means, do it to it.

Still wrong lol

[cinreds21]

Originally Posted by mth123

Here's my shot. I think Chapman will end up in the bullpen and eventually settle in as the closer.

Rotation
Reineke
Atilano
Tanner
Carroll
Gallagher

Bullpen
Judy
Brackman
Christiani
Klinker
Horst
Webb
Texiera

Dealt for PTBNL or released: Fisher, Smith, Krebs, Hynick, McCulloch

C - Miller
C - Esposito
1B - Soto
2B - Valaika
SS - Negron
3B - Costanzo
IF - Rojas
LF - Rhinehart
CF - Jones
RF - Phipps
DH - Dorn
OF - F. Perez

Castro, Mattair and Puckett to AA

He retired in June. And no reason to send Castro back to Double-A. He'll be in Louisville.

[muddie]

Originally Posted by cinreds21

Still wrong lol

Hey, they both start with C. I had to chuckle as well.