David Vidal

[corkedbat]

Saw where the Dayton 3B had a double (37), a HR (20) and 2 RBIs (85) last night to go with a .280 AVG and a .850 OPS. He's put together quite a season for the Dragons.

[dougdirt]

Good defender as well.

[corkedbat]

As a matter of fact, I don't remember much power output below AAA and above rookie ball last year. There were several pretty good performances this year.

Among the best (.Avg/2B/3B/HR/RBI/.OPS):

Soto......... .275/19/3/30/78/.897
Reinhardt... .285/22/2/28/88/.946
Campbell.... .310/37/1/20/83/.935
Vidal......... .280/37/1/20/85/.850
Lutz......... .301/23/3/20/75/.850

Especially impressive when you remember they play over a month less than MLB players.

[icehole3]

Id like to see each guy given some time in the OF, now is the time not when theyre ready to play in the bigs

[mth123]

Bumping to get some discussion going on Vidal. How soon will Vidal be ready? Is it possible he's a quick comer? Half a seaon in A+ and a half a season in AA followed by an AFL stint and ready to compete with Francisco and Frazier in 2013 (or at least in line at AAA if they should prove lacking). He's probably the best defender at 3B of the group and may be more rounded than the others.

As an 8th rounder who is only 22, I'm probably being too aggressive but just wondering.

[dougdirt]

Originally Posted by mth123

Bumping to get some discussion going on Vidal. How soon will Vidal be ready? Is it possible he's a quick comer? Half a seaon in A+ and a half a season in AA followed by an AFL stint and ready to compete with Francisco and Frazier in 2013 (or at least in line at AAA if they should prove lacking). He's probably the best defender at 3B of the group and may be more rounded than the others.

As an 8th rounder who is only 22, I'm probably being too aggressive but just wondering.

Probably too aggressive on your prediction there. But, if his plate discipline from the second half was a legit step forward in his skilllset, you could be right.

[Edd Roush]

Originally Posted by mth123

Bumping to get some discussion going on Vidal. How soon will Vidal be ready? Is it possible he's a quick comer? Half a seaon in A+ and a half a season in AA followed by an AFL stint and ready to compete with Francisco and Frazier in 2013 (or at least in line at AAA if they should prove lacking). He's probably the best defender at 3B of the group and may be more rounded than the others.

As an 8th rounder who is only 22, I'm probably being too aggressive but just wondering.

I love the axiom of challenge thy hitters and coddle thy pitchers. Vidal will most likely rake in any stint at A+ because of how skewed to hitters the league is. Due to this and my belief that positional prospects should be advanced at a more rapid pace than pitching prospects, I would have no problem moving Vidal to AA after the All-Star break if he has a .850+ OPS in A+. I just don't think we are going to learn too much from typical statistics in the California league as we struggled with this in the Florida State League.

If Vidal mashes in A+ for a half year and AA for a half year, while still sporting a good glove, I would have no problem allowing him to compete with Francisco/Frazier for the full-time spot in 2013. Most likely, I will still want a veteran to compete for that spot as well since 2013 will still be in "our window" but if he tears up AA, I could see him as a big time prospect.

Vidal hasn't been around too long and has really flown under the radar since he was an 8th rounder. I personally have him at the tail end of my top-20, but I could see him skyrocketing up my personal board if he mashes in AA next year like I think he could.

[mth123]

Originally Posted by Edd Roush

I love the axiom of challenge thy hitters and coddle thy pitchers. Vidal will most likely rake in any stint at A+ because of how skewed to hitters the league is. Due to this and my belief that positional prospects should be advanced at a more rapid pace than pitching prospects, I would have no problem moving Vidal to AA after the All-Star break if he has a .850+ OPS in A+. I just don't think we are going to learn too much from typical statistics in the California league as we struggled with this in the Florida State League.

If Vidal mashes in A+ for a half year and AA for a half year, while still sporting a good glove, I would have no problem allowing him to compete with Francisco/Frazier for the full-time spot in 2013. Most likely, I will still want a veteran to compete for that spot as well since 2013 will still be in "our window" but if he tears up AA, I could see him as a big time prospect.

Vidal hasn't been around too long and has really flown under the radar since he was an 8th rounder. I personally have him at the tail end of my top-20, but I could see him skyrocketing up my personal board if he mashes in AA next year like I think he could.

Basically how I see it. A stint in the Arizona Fall League at the end of the year might be a bit of a test for him. 80 to 100 PAs against "All Stars" from his competition level may provide an indication of something (or it could just be a small sample size). The pitching in the AFL isn't always the best since they try to limit innings on some guys, but comparing him to the others in the league would seem somewhat instructive as to how far along he is.

[Vottomatic]

I'm a big believer in giving an up and comer a taste of the big leagues in September, probably a year before they're ready. Seems like Alonso and others did better this year after tasting it in 2010. Obviously an adjustment playing in the majors versus the minors...........bigger crowds, more fringe benefits, etc. Probably some intimidation at first.

But I also realize that starting their major league clock can be a factor too.

[Benihana]

I'd start Vidal in AA, Buckley in A+, Arias in Dayton and Rosa in Billings. Then let the chips fall where they may.

[dougdirt]

Originally Posted by Benihana

I'd start Vidal in AA, Buckley in A+, Arias in Dayton and Rosa in Billings. Then let the chips fall where they may.

Not the worst idea ever. In fact, I like it.

[Edd Roush]

Originally Posted by Vottomatic

I'm a big believer in giving an up and comer a taste of the big leagues in September, probably a year before they're ready. Seems like Alonso and others did better this year after tasting it in 2010. Obviously an adjustment playing in the majors versus the minors...........bigger crowds, more fringe benefits, etc. Probably some intimidation at first.

But I also realize that starting their major league clock can be a factor too.

So you want Vidal getting crucial ABs in September while the Reds are in the midst of their second pennant chase in 10 years?

[Vottomatic]

Originally Posted by Edd Roush

So you want Vidal getting crucial ABs in September while the Reds are in the midst of their second pennant chase in 10 years?

No. I don't care about the AB's. I just think it's good for them to get a feel for all the behind the scenes stuff in the major leagues, sitting in the dugout with true major leaguers, listening, learning.............I don't care if he gets 5 at-bats. I know if I was in the minors and never been to the majors, it would be kind of intimidating. The adjustment to even the pampered part would take some time. And not like they need any more motivation, but getting a taste would surely wet their whistle of desire to work even harder to get there, once they see how great it is (which I'm sure they already knew).

As stated, the adjustment to all the other stuff outside of the game is why I want them to get a taste.

[Edd Roush]

Originally Posted by Vottomatic

No. I don't care about the AB's. I just think it's good for them to get a feel for all the behind the scenes stuff in the major leagues, sitting in the dugout with true major leaguers, listening, learning.............I don't care if he gets 5 at-bats. I know if I was in the minors and never been to the majors, it would be kind of intimidating. The adjustment to even the pampered part would take some time. And not like they need any more motivation, but getting a taste would surely wet their whistle of desire to work even harder to get there, once they see how great it is (which I'm sure they already knew).

As stated, the adjustment to all the other stuff outside of the game is why I want them to get a taste.

The problem about him "getting a taste" in the major leagues without actually playing is that you are adding a guy to the 40-man who doesn't need to be added before he needs to be. Therefore, you are losing someone off the 40 man roster just to let a guy sit in the dugout.

I personally don't think he gets too much sitting in the dugout, but neither of us know first-hand. I think he will get much more ready for the major leagues playing in minor league games. Once the minor league playoffs are over, I wouldn't mind Vidal coming to Cincinnati and hanging out with the players as much he can for a guy not on the 40 man roster, but I see no reason to add him just so he can officially be on the team in September.

[lollipopcurve]

Cart has barreled down the hill and the horse is still on top re: Vidal here. There are 2 guys in front of him who are going to get a shot before he does, if he ever does. Francisco is 1st in line, and his ceiling is high. Then HRod, who's playing 3B this winter. I wouldn't kick either to the curb just yet.