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dougdirt · 01-06-2012, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Mario-Rijo

Sounds an awful lot like Joseph just at a lower level and a different breaking pitch (slider). So it begs the question why not Donnie? For that matter why any of the remaining arms over Joseph, last years #11 RZ prospect? Something about fans and what have you done for me lately kind of thinking.

Well, I would start with the fact that Smith has two advantages: He still has a chance to start and he can throw his breaking ball, which isn't as good as Joseph's, but still pretty good, for strikes.

With that said, I still think Smith winds up a reliever and the uptick in Joseph's fastball this season is enough for me to still put him over Smith. But I still haven't gotten to Joseph just yet.

camisadelgolf · 01-06-2012, 05:53 PM

Donnie Joseph's slider is so good that he had never been challenged until he faced advanced hitting. He basically has to completely relearn how to pitch in order to get these new types of hitters out. I don't think his season was as bad as his numbers indicate, and he definitely showed improvement in the second half of the season. I understand having doubts about him, but I'm apparently higher on him than a lot of other people are around here.

camisadelgolf · 01-06-2012, 05:55 PM

One thing that's really surprising me is that more people aren't voting for 'Other'. As spread out as the votes are, I figured I'd see at least two or three votes for players who aren't on the board by now.

dougdirt · 01-06-2012, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by camisadelgolf

Donnie Joseph's slider is so good that he had never been challenged until he faced advanced hitting. He basically has to completely relearn how to pitch in order to get these new types of hitters out. I don't think his season was as bad as his numbers indicate, and he definitely showed improvement in the second half of the season. I understand having doubts about him, but I'm apparently higher on him than a lot of other people are around here.

I have Joseph at #21 right now. But, I still have a guy ahead of him who isn't yet on the list. I really love the stuff. But I want to see him throw his slider for strikes before going much higher than that.

camisadelgolf · 01-06-2012, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by dougdirt

I have Joseph at #21 right now. But, I still have a guy ahead of him who isn't yet on the list. I really love the stuff. But I want to see him throw his slider for strikes before going much higher than that.

Who do you have above him? I might put him on the next ballot.

dougdirt · 01-06-2012, 07:03 PM

Sean Buckley and Amir Garret are the two I have ahead of him right now. I originally had Garret ahead of him on my top 25 list, but after I finished my writeups for both I started to doubt that one. But in the end, the slim chance that Garret has to be a starter keeps him above Joseph for now.

camisadelgolf · 01-06-2012, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dougdirt

Sean Buckley and Amir Garret are the two I have ahead of him right now. I originally had Garret ahead of him on my top 25 list, but after I finished my writeups for both I started to doubt that one. But in the end, the slim chance that Garret has to be a starter keeps him above Joseph for now.

I guess I misunderstood. You had my hopes up, too. Both of those guys are on the ballot already.

dougdirt · 01-06-2012, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by camisadelgolf

I guess I misunderstood. You had my hopes up, too. Both of those guys are on the ballot already.

Yes, we must've crossed some wires somewhere along the way.

klw · 01-06-2012, 07:52 PM

A tweet from Amir Garrett back on Dec 18
http://twitter.com/Amir_Garrett

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Amir_Garrett amir garrett
@
@BallasTV oh yeah i do still play baseball I'm signed to the Reds i just don't play right now i go to training camp in june
18 Dec

camisadelgolf · 01-06-2012, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dougdirt

Yes, we must've crossed some wires somewhere along the way.

When you said 'list', I thought you were referring to the ballot. EVERYTHING IS SOLVED.

dougdirt · 01-06-2012, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by camisadelgolf

When you said 'list', I thought you were referring to the ballot. EVERYTHING IS SOLVED.

Redszone's Sherlock Holmes!

The DARK · 01-07-2012, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by klw

A tweet from Amir Garrett back on Dec 18
http://twitter.com/Amir_Garrett

Good to see, though he does seem pretty strongly committed to Basketball as well.

mace · 01-08-2012, 08:50 PM

If we give any credence to Sickels' new top-20 rankings, upcoming additions to the ballot should include Juan Perez, James Allen, Stalin Gerson, Cole Green and Chris Manno. He made a point of mentioning Perez, a lefty-hitting infielder (26th round last year) whose name has rarely come up on this board. Manno seems like an easy choice. And I believe Allen made an appearance a while back.

View Poll Results: Who is Redszone's #21 prospect?
3B Junior Arias	6	13.33%
RHP Andrew Brackman	7	15.56%
1B/3B Sean Buckley	4	8.89%
RHP Alejandro Chacin	0	0%
RHP Tim Crabbe	7	15.56%
LHP Amir Garrett	1	2.22%
UT Brodie Greene	2	4.44%
RHP Drew Hayes	1	2.22%
LHP Donnie Joseph	4	8.89%
RHP Josh Judy	2	4.44%
RHP Chad Rogers	0	0%
RHP Josh Smith	6	13.33%
RHP Pedro Villarreal	2	4.44%
OF Kyle Waldrop	0	0%
2B Ryan Wright	3	6.67%
other (please list below)	0	0%
Voters: 45. You may not vote on this poll

01-06-2012, 05:53 PM	#17
camisadelgolf Vampire Weekend @Bernie's Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 11,311	Re: Who is Redszone's #21 prospect? Donnie Joseph's slider is so good that he had never been challenged until he faced advanced hitting. He basically has to completely relearn how to pitch in order to get these new types of hitters out. I don't think his season was as bad as his numbers indicate, and he definitely showed improvement in the second half of the season. I understand having doubts about him, but I'm apparently higher on him than a lot of other people are around here. __________________ Get MLBtraderumors Reds updates on Facebook. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Reds-R...33794710005587 http://i.imgur.com/1bCKpaH.jpg

01-06-2012, 05:55 PM	#18
camisadelgolf Vampire Weekend @Bernie's Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 11,311	Re: Who is Redszone's #21 prospect? One thing that's really surprising me is that more people aren't voting for 'Other'. As spread out as the votes are, I figured I'd see at least two or three votes for players who aren't on the board by now. __________________ Get MLBtraderumors Reds updates on Facebook. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Reds-R...33794710005587 http://i.imgur.com/1bCKpaH.jpg

01-08-2012, 08:50 PM	#28
mace Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 4,167	Re: Who is Redszone's #21 prospect? If we give any credence to Sickels' new top-20 rankings, upcoming additions to the ballot should include Juan Perez, James Allen, Stalin Gerson, Cole Green and Chris Manno. He made a point of mentioning Perez, a lefty-hitting infielder (26th round last year) whose name has rarely come up on this board. Manno seems like an easy choice. And I believe Allen made an appearance a while back.

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01-06-2012, 07:03 PM	#21
dougdirt The Boss Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 30,723	Re: Who is Redszone's #21 prospect? Sean Buckley and Amir Garret are the two I have ahead of him right now. I originally had Garret ahead of him on my top 25 list, but after I finished my writeups for both I started to doubt that one. But in the end, the slim chance that Garret has to be a starter keeps him above Joseph for now. __________________ www.redsminorleagues.com