Reds Sign Ryan Madson

[traderumor]

Originally Posted by 11larkin11

Hold your horses everyone, may not be true



http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/...ticle_26308146

ESPN announced it. This is an article from earlier this evening.

So two hours ago

[George Anderson]

Larkin made the HOF yesterday.

Reds sign a big time reliever today.

Been a nice 48 hrs.

[savafan]

[11larkin11]

Originally Posted by traderumor

ESPN announced it. This is an article from earlier this evening.

So two hours ago

It was updated at 11:11 PM EST by Mark Sheldon. Crasnick reporting is makes me believe it, though.

[MikeThierry]

Originally Posted by 757690

You make a good point. Madson probably won't be much better than Cordero was last year. Cordero, while frustrating, was very good as a the closer.

However, he probably will be much better than Cordero or any other closer option the Reds had in 2012. What I feared was bringing in a lesser closer and having that position downgraded from last year. Pretty much everyone else available besides Madson does that. He also moves everyone down a notch in the pen, making each role more productive.

You are right, he doesn't put the Reds over the top. Latos and Marshall and Madson combined do however.

I think the big upside is that he is only 30 and there is very little chance for regression, unlike with Cordero which is inconsistent at best. Madson does give them more stability from that standpoint.

[OnBaseMachine]

Amazing! Great job by Walt and the Reds. This has been an amazing offseason. Wow.

Mat Latos, Sean Marshall, and Ryan Madson. I would have never dreamed the Reds would added even two of those players, let alone all three.

[dougdirt]

Originally Posted by PuffyPig

The Reds 8-9 ining guys are as good as any in baseball. Which bumps guys like Masset, Bray, etc. into middle relief.

Eh, David Robertson and Mariano Rivera are the best in the business.

[11larkin11]

Now we just need Cespedes...

[Caveat Emperor]

Originally Posted by kaldaniels

Give me Ludwick and I can take a two month nap till ST.

With finances being what they are, I think Ludwick is a very good target. I also like JD Drew, but both are good candidates for a GABP bump.

[MikeThierry]

Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor

With finances being what they are, I think Ludwick is a very good target. I also like JD Drew, but both are good candidates for a GABP bump.

uggg... I would stay away from JD Drew. That guy still gives me stomach aches every time I see him on the field... that is when he isn't injured.

[Scrap Irony]

Originally Posted by MikeThierry

FIP does not matter when it comes to a closer. The thing that matters is if they save the game or not. That is it. Its the most bottom line position in baseball, in my opinion. I never said that Coco was good. However he did give the Reds 37 saves last season. The whole point I'm trying to drive home is that by adding 4-5 extra saves, does that make the Reds a 90 win team in 2012? If Madson gives the Reds 42 saves in 2012, does that close the gap enough to be division winners?

Madson by himself doesn't get the Reds to 90.

But add him to Marshall in the pen and that might do it.

Then add Latos to the mix.

That should get you there with wins to spare.

From Opening Day 2010, Cincinnati has lost:
Jonny Gomes OF
Ramon Hernandez C
Edinson Volquez SP
Travis Wood SP
Matt Maloney RP/SP
Dontrelle Willis RP/SP
Francisco Cordero RP

and replaced them with:
Mat Latos SP
Sean Marshall RP
Ryan Madson RP
Devin Mesoraco C
Zach Cozart SS
Juan Francisco 3B
Todd Frazier OF

[MasonBuzz3]

Originally Posted by George Anderson

Larkin made the HOF yesterday.

Reds sign a big time reliever today.

Been a nice 48 hrs.

Latos, Marshall, Madson - In

Pujols and Prince (likely) - Out of the division
Braun - Out for 50 games

and Larkin to the HOF

best off-season in a long time

[traderumor]

Originally Posted by 11larkin11

It was updated at 11:11 PM EST by Mark Sheldon. Crasnick reporting is makes me believe it, though.

But later Tuesday night, Jon Heyman of MLB Network and CBSSports.com tweeted simply, "Reds, Madson in agreement." Bob Nightengale of USA Today also tweeted, "Ryan Madson is signing with Reds, who are definitely going for the division title."

So, what are we supposed to hold our horses for?

[PuffyPig]

Originally Posted by MikeThierry

Didn't the Reds have almost a lights out bullpen last year? It would be one thing if we were talking about the horrible bullpen the Cards broke out with at the beginning of the 2011 season but even last year your bullpen was really good. Sure, adding Madson does improve the pen but by how much?

No, their bullpen faltered badly especially in the 2nd half.

[kaldaniels]

Originally Posted by Scrap Irony

Madson by himself doesn't get the Reds to 90.

Thats the key. I think things were taken out of context, unintentionally I presume.