Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez - RedsZone.com - Cincinnati Reds Fans' Home for Baseball Discussion

OnBaseMachine · 01-25-2012, 04:03 PM

#Reds acquire from Phi Wilson Valdez for Jeremy Horst, Nick Masset signs 2-year deal, IF/OF Willie Harris signs minor deal with ST invite.

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RedsManRick · 01-25-2012, 04:06 PM

Interesting. Between him and Janish, we should have a solid bullpen. Err...

In all seriousness, I'm not sure I get that move. He's no better than Janish at the plate or in the field. Just depth?

lollipopcurve · 01-25-2012, 04:06 PM

Great pickup IMO. I like Valdez a heckuva lot more than Janish, and Horst is easily replaceable.

mdccclxix · 01-25-2012, 04:09 PM

Cool, there's no way we lose in 19 innings this year!

_Sir_Charles_ · 01-25-2012, 04:10 PM

Strange move. Valdez is a somewhat useful piece, but he's certainly not an upgrade over Janish.

2 year deal for Masset, that I like, depending upon the $'s.

OnBaseMachine · 01-25-2012, 04:12 PM

Not a huge fan of the Valdez move. He's not really an upgrade over Janish.

Vottomatic · 01-25-2012, 04:15 PM

It kind of depends on how much they have to pay Valdez, for me.

It also tells me they're not sold on Janish or maybe Janish is going to be traded. Did they agree on a contract, because I thought Janish was arbitration eligible?

reds44 · 01-25-2012, 04:18 PM

What are you going to trade Janish for? A six pack?

And they're probably not sold on Janish because he's really, really bad at baseball.

_Sir_Charles_ · 01-25-2012, 04:19 PM

Yeah, Janish is around 800 k or so. I don't recall the exact figure. Fay posted it though.

_Sir_Charles_ · 01-25-2012, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reds44

What are you going to trade Janish for? A six pack?

And they're probably not sold on Janish because he's really, really bad at baseball.

And Wilson Valdez is what exactly? Bothered looking up HIS stats? They're far from awe-inspiring.

reds44 · 01-25-2012, 04:20 PM

Nevermind

Vottomatic · 01-25-2012, 04:20 PM

http://mlb.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=407832

Valdez turns 34 in May.

He and Janish bolster our bullpen in long games when we run out of pitchers. LOL.

lollipopcurve · 01-25-2012, 04:21 PM

Quote:

He's not really an upgrade over Janish.

I disagree. There's not a wide disparity between the two players, but I think Valdez is a better hitter and runner. He's good defender. And while I know this may not register with all observers, he plays with more energy. The guy knows his role -- I think Janish sees himself as a failed starter -- and as a Dominican he'll be a nice caddy for Francisco after this year (assuming Rolen retires). Valdez played for a winning club and did a nice job filling in for Rollins last year.

reds44 · 01-25-2012, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_

And Wilson Valdez is what exactly? Bothered looking up HIS stats? They're far from awe-inspiring.

Valdez has at least posted three consecutive seasons of above .630 OPS (and before last year he posted back to back .660 OPS).

If Paul Janish ever OPSes north of .600 I'll be surprised. He's THAT bad.

_Sir_Charles_ · 01-25-2012, 04:23 PM

I'm not even close to a follower of WAR. But considering just how poorly Janish played last year (by FAR his worst season ever), he had a WAR or 0.0 in around 350 pa's. Wilson Valdez, 300 pa's last year.... -0.2.

01-25-2012, 04:03 PM	#1
OnBaseMachine Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 34,655	Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez #Reds acquire from Phi Wilson Valdez for Jeremy Horst, Nick Masset signs 2-year deal, IF/OF Willie Harris signs minor deal with ST invite. https://twitter.com/#!/Reds __________________ I miss Adam Dunn.

01-25-2012, 04:06 PM	#2
RedsManRick Stat Wanker Hodiernus Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 14,919	Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez Interesting. Between him and Janish, we should have a solid bullpen. Err... In all seriousness, I'm not sure I get that move. He's no better than Janish at the plate or in the field. Just depth? __________________ Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

01-25-2012, 04:06 PM	#3
lollipopcurve Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Shelburne Falls, MA Posts: 9,483	Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez Great pickup IMO. I like Valdez a heckuva lot more than Janish, and Horst is easily replaceable. __________________ "Baseball is a very, very complex business. It's more of a people business than most businesses." - Bob Castellini

01-25-2012, 04:09 PM	#4
mdccclxix Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 2,660	Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez Cool, there's no way we lose in 19 innings this year!

01-25-2012, 04:10 PM	#5
_Sir_Charles_ 2013 NL MVP and WS MVP Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 6,394	Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez Strange move. Valdez is a somewhat useful piece, but he's certainly not an upgrade over Janish. 2 year deal for Masset, that I like, depending upon the $'s. __________________

01-25-2012, 04:12 PM	#6
OnBaseMachine Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 34,655	Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez Not a huge fan of the Valdez move. He's not really an upgrade over Janish. __________________ I miss Adam Dunn.

01-25-2012, 04:15 PM	#7
Vottomatic All work and no play..... Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Lebanon Posts: 6,820	Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez It kind of depends on how much they have to pay Valdez, for me. It also tells me they're not sold on Janish or maybe Janish is going to be traded. Did they agree on a contract, because I thought Janish was arbitration eligible? __________________ "I can't take this homerism anymore." - 10xWSChamps, August 11, 2010. A Cardinals fan having a problem with all the homerism on Redszone. Classic. "Man do I miss the days where were didn't need a calculator and an encyclopedia of baseball metrics to enjoy a baseball game ... - MikeS21" - 8/2/12 game thread

01-25-2012, 04:19 PM	#9
_Sir_Charles_ 2013 NL MVP and WS MVP Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 6,394	Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez Yeah, Janish is around 800 k or so. I don't recall the exact figure. Fay posted it though. __________________

01-25-2012, 04:20 PM	#12
Vottomatic All work and no play..... Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Lebanon Posts: 6,820	Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez http://mlb.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=407832 Valdez turns 34 in May. He and Janish bolster our bullpen in long games when we run out of pitchers. LOL. __________________ "I can't take this homerism anymore." - 10xWSChamps, August 11, 2010. A Cardinals fan having a problem with all the homerism on Redszone. Classic. "Man do I miss the days where were didn't need a calculator and an encyclopedia of baseball metrics to enjoy a baseball game ... - MikeS21" - 8/2/12 game thread

01-25-2012, 04:23 PM	#15
_Sir_Charles_ 2013 NL MVP and WS MVP Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 6,394	Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez I'm not even close to a follower of WAR. But considering just how poorly Janish played last year (by FAR his worst season ever), he had a WAR or 0.0 in around 350 pa's. Wilson Valdez, 300 pa's last year.... -0.2. __________________

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