The Cincinnati Pitching Arsenal: Repertoire for Every Reds Hurler

[dougdirt]

Originally Posted by RANDY IN INDY

Homer Bailey used to throw a split. Not positive but I think he still does.

He does, but it is generally classified as a change up.

[RANDY IN INDY]

Originally Posted by dougdirt

He does, but it is generally classified as a change up.

Makes no sense to list a pitch and th.en call it something else.

[dougdirt]

Originally Posted by RANDY IN INDY

Makes no sense to list a pitch and th.en call it something else.

Well, I am assuming that AD took this from fangraphs. Fangraphs gets their data from Pitch F/X. Pitch F/X uses an algorithm that, while continuously improving, still classifies some pitches incorrectly. Even when you know what a pitch is supposed to move like, there are still guys out there who are trying to zoom in on video of certain pitchers/pitches to see the grip they are using because the pitch is tough to classify.

[reds44]

I thought Chapman had never thrown a change up in his life?

[RANDY IN INDY]

Originally Posted by dougdirt

Well, I am assuming that AD took this from fangraphs. Fangraphs gets their data from Pitch F/X. Pitch F/X uses an algorithm that, while continuously improving, still classifies some pitches incorrectly. Even when you know what a pitch is supposed to move like, there are still guys out there who are trying to zoom in on video of certain pitchers/pitches to see the grip they are using because the pitch is tough to classify.

Baseball people know a split.

[dougdirt]

Originally Posted by RANDY IN INDY

Baseball people know a split.

Baseball people don't classify the pitches for Pitch F/X, an algorithm does that is based on speed, movement and spin of the baseball. And I was just giving an example on how some guys go about trying to better determine the pitches that some guys are throwing.

[dougdirt]

Originally Posted by reds44

I thought Chapman had never thrown a change up in his life?

He hasn't in the Majors. Well, maybe one this year. The pitches are being misclassified.... or his change up moves exactly like his fastball does (change ups don't typically move like a fastball, they have more run/tail and sink than the fastball).

[reds44]

Originally Posted by dougdirt

He hasn't in the Majors. Well, maybe one this year. The pitches are being misclassified.... or his change up moves exactly like his fastball does (change ups don't typically move like a fastball, they have more run/tail and sink than the fastball).

Pitchers don't usually throw 102 with 93 MPH sliders either.

[RANDY IN INDY]

Originally Posted by dougdirt

Baseball people don't classify the pitches for Pitch F/X, an algorithm does that is based on speed, movement and spin of the baseball. And I was just giving an example on how some guys go about trying to better determine the pitches that some guys are throwing.

Exactly.

[jojo]

Originally Posted by RANDY IN INDY

Baseball people know a split.

Homer just doesn't know how to throw one.....

[Boss-Hog]

I have copied this one to the Archives. Nice post.

[Brutus]

Good post, AD.

I often look at Fangraphs to see this info for pitchers, but I've never seen it put together collectively like this. Very neat.

[Vottomatic]

Alfredo Simon specializes in fastballs and wild pitches. He's really dealin' on the second one I mentioned. He has the makings of the next Reds closer. Well.....atleast Dusty thinks so.

[dougdirt]

Originally Posted by reds44

Pitchers don't usually throw 102 with 93 MPH sliders either.

No they don't, but if Chapman is throwing his change up and it moves just like his fastball, then he is throwing a low 90's fastball regardless of the grip he is using.

[dougdirt]

Originally Posted by RANDY IN INDY

Exactly.

I am confused as to what you were trying to say in this thread at this point.