Report: Junior Seau Dead

[Wonderful Monds]

Originally Posted by Rojo

I like football but I think the game needs fundamental changes -- not just more padding and game-delaying rules.

What can you really do though? It's just kind of the nature of the game.


Not that I don't see a future where it's possible that the lawmakers step in and say enough is enough.

[Todd Gack]

Originally Posted by Rojo

I like football but I think the game needs fundamental changes -- not just more padding and game-delaying rules.

Giving them flags would be my first choice.

[_Sir_Charles_]

RIP Junior. Way too young. WAAAAAAY too young. *sigh*

[redsfanmia]

Is it bad that this doesn't shock me?

[Joseph]

Whats the chance the girlfriend did it?

[HotCorner]

Originally Posted by Joseph

Whats the chance the girlfriend did it?

Well since it's being treated by the police as a suicide I would say slim.

[Todd Gack]

I feel awful for his family. But who cares about Seau? ESPN is going bananas today on their network showing their affection for a loser and quitter that he has now become.

[Sea Ray]

Originally Posted by Todd Gack

I feel awful for his family. But who cares about Seau? ESPN is going bananas today on their network showing their affection for a loser and quitter that he has now become.

ESPN is covering what a great player he was and how he was an even greater human being. Boring.

It's not news that he was a great player. We all know that. IF he did shoot himself, he's not a great human being. Great human beings don't do this to his kids and family. Anyone see what this did to his mother? You don't do that to your loved ones.

The story here is what actually happened and if it was indeed suicide, what was going on in his life? I heard Mort briefly allude to failed businesses but I heard others say that everything he did turned to gold so I don't know

[cincrazy]

With all due respect, I don't think it's fair to judge the character of the man. One of my best friends tried to kill herself two years ago, and she's been battling demons for quite a while. And I think it's grossly unfair to deem her less of a human being than someone else. I understand there are different perspectives on this, but IMO the man was ill. I don't think he was in a clear enough mind to deem whether he was acting selfishly or not. And football, and the violence of the sport, may have played a big part in the changing of his brain.

[RedsBaron]

Originally Posted by cincrazy

With all due respect, I don't think it's fair to judge the character of the man. One of my best friends tried to kill herself two years ago, and she's been battling demons for quite a while. And I think it's grossly unfair to deem her less of a human being than someone else. I understand there are different perspectives on this, but IMO the man was ill. I don't think he was in a clear enough mind to deem whether he was acting selfishly or not. And football, and the violence of the sport, may have played a big part in the changing of his brain.

I agree. Years ago my neighbor, a Viet Nam War vet, committed suicide in large part because of the emotional trauma he suffered from as a result of his military service. He was ill and he made a bad decision, one that extremely hurt his family, but I never thought less of him as a human being.

[top6]

Originally Posted by Sea Ray

ESPN is covering what a great player he was and how he was an even greater human being. Boring.

It's not news that he was a great player. We all know that. IF he did shoot himself, he's not a great human being. Great human beings don't do this to his kids and family. Anyone see what this did to his mother? You don't do that to your loved ones.

The story here is what actually happened and if it was indeed suicide, what was going on in his life? I heard Mort briefly allude to failed businesses but I heard others say that everything he did turned to gold so I don't know

Great human beings make mistakes; even tragic ones. Great human beings can also get sick. Did he make a mistake, or was he mentally ill? In either event it doesn't mean he wasn't a great human being.

Anyway, here is a cool story about him:

http://deadspin.com/5907297/the-nigh...with-a-ukulele

EDIT: I took something out that was probably inappropriate. So I'll just say that I found SeaRay's post really offensive and leave it at that.

[Sea Ray]

Originally Posted by top6

EDIT: I took something out that was probably inappropriate. So I'll just say that I found SeaRay's post really offensive and leave it at that.

No question, I knew my opinion would not be politically correct in these parts. Your response doesn't surprise me at all. Not everyone is as hard to offend as I am...

[Sea Ray]

Originally Posted by RedsBaron

I agree. Years ago my neighbor, a Viet Nam War vet, committed suicide in large part because of the emotional trauma he suffered from as a result of his military service. He was ill and he made a bad decision, one that extremely hurt his family, but I never thought less of him as a human being.

I do think there was something going on in his mind and that's the story I'm most interested in. Could be post concussion; could be something else. I'd like to know more about the demons he battled.

As I type this right now, I'm thinking about how good a football player he was; not about him as a great human being.

[top6]

Originally Posted by Sea Ray

No question, I knew my opinion would not be politically correct in these parts. Your response doesn't surprise me at all. Not everyone is as hard to offend as I am...

You are so brave.

Also, I thought your post was offensive mostly because it demonstrated a lot of ignorance. I wasn't personally offended.

[Slyder]

My question is could this be another case of a professional athlete that couldn't adjust to not being a professional athlete?