May 10, Minor League updates - RedsZone.com - Cincinnati Reds Fans' Home for Baseball Discussion

mth123 · 05-10-2012, 04:24 PM

Its an off day for the Reds, so we need this.

Norfolk at Louisville 6:35
Pensacola at Mississippi at 8:00
Bakersfield at Inland empire at 10:05
Dayton at Lake County at 6:30

mth123 · 05-10-2012, 06:46 PM

Reineke gives up a hit and a walk in the top of the 1st, but keeps norfolk off the board. The Bats get a hit from Costanzo, but Phipps GIDP ends the inning. 0-0 after 1.

The Reds should consider adding Costanzo. Lefty bat who can play 3B and hit a little. I know he's older, but they really need LH help - especially at 3B IMO.

mth123 · 05-10-2012, 07:00 PM

Neither team scoredin the second. Neftali Soto had a single.

texasdave · 05-10-2012, 07:05 PM

Lake County jumped out to a one-run lead on a triple to start their half of the first and a sac fly. Dayton answers with a run in the top of the second. Silva walks, Waldrop singles and a ground ball plates the run. And just that quickly Lake County retakes the lead on a solo home run in the bottom of inning number two. 2-1 Lake County.

texasdave · 05-10-2012, 07:07 PM

Norfolk has plated a pair and is still batting in the top of the third. Chad Reineke has given up 6 hits in 2 and a third.

mth123 · 05-10-2012, 07:11 PM

Reineke gave up a 2 run homer to Xavier Avery in the top of the 3rd.

mth123 · 05-10-2012, 07:18 PM

Bats go down in the 3rd. Single for Navarro.

Edd Roush · 05-10-2012, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mth123

The Reds should consider adding Costanzo. Lefty bat who can play 3B and hit a little. I know he's older, but they really need LH help - especially at 3B IMO.

mth, I do not usually consider you one to fall for a small sample size. While Costanzo has an acceptable .835 OPS in AAA this year, let's not forget that in double this sample size Costanzo turned in a AAA OPS of .630 last year. Costanzo is taking away valuable AAA PAs from the real prospect, HRod, IMO. No way do I want to see Costanzo up in Cincinnati, even if it is for the Red who deserves to be cut the most, Wilson Valdez.

mth123 · 05-10-2012, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Edd Roush

mth, I do not usually consider you one to fall for a small sample size. While Costanzo has an acceptable .835 OPS in AAA this year, let's not forget that in double this sample size Costanzo turned in a AAA OPS of .630 last year. Costanzo is taking away valuable AAA PAs from the real prospect, HRod, IMO. No way do I want to see Costanzo up in Cincinnati, even if it is for the Red who deserves to be cut the most, Wilson Valdez.

Yeah, but he had an 800+ OPS in AA last year. Now he's hitting and the Reds really have no other internal options. They shouldn't have dealt Juan Francisco IMO. Hoover's been good, but talk about small sample size. If they were going to deal a 3B to help Atlanta while Chipper was hurting with Hoover as a target, I'd have dealt Frazier who seems to be a lot like a bunch of other flawed RH offensive players. At least Francisco offered a little diversity to the roster. Its much needed IMO.

dougdirt · 05-10-2012, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mth123

Yeah, but he had an 800+ OPS in AA last year. Now he's hitting and the Reds really have no other internal options. They shouldn't have dealt Juan Francisco IMO. Hoover's been good, but talk about small sample size. If they were going to deal a 3B to help Atlanta while Chipper was hurting with Hoover as a target, I'd have dealt Frazier who seems to be a lot like a bunch of other flawed RH offensive players. At least Francisco offered a little diversity to the roster. Its much needed IMO.

Francisco offers diversity, but he doesn't really offer an upgrade.

Edd Roush · 05-10-2012, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mth123

Yeah, but he had an 800+ OPS in AA last year. Now he's hitting and the Reds really have no other internal options. They shouldn't have dealt Juan Francisco IMO. Hoover's been good, but talk about small sample size. If they were going to deal a 3B to help Atlanta while Chipper was hurting with Hoover as a target, I'd have dealt Frazier who seems to be a lot like a bunch of other flawed RH offensive players. At least Francisco offered a little diversity to the roster. Its much needed IMO.

I really think Scott Rolen will end up with around a .700 OPS or even better this year. Let's not forget that Rolen has just a .203 BABIP at this time. His LD rate is slightly down, but still 18.3%. Considering Rolen's defensive aptitude and the fact that his bat will be acceptable this year, the Reds' aren't in dire straits at third base.

Cairo has proved to be a useful fill-in over the last few years and Frazier is really showing something in a very limited sample this year.

I believe the 3B problem is overblown on Redszone. Certainly Mike Costanzo is not an upgrade over any of the Reds current three third basemen on the 25-man roster.

If a premier 3B (David Wright) becomes available at the trade deadline, sure the Reds should see if they can get something done, but I don't think it is a black hole to the degree of us having to pimp our AAA third baseman who OPSed .630 in AAA last year.

mth123 · 05-10-2012, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dougdirt

Francisco offers diversity, but he doesn't really offer an upgrade.

.765 OPS so far. Better than all but 3 or 4 guys on the roster. From everything I've seen, he's a better defender at 3B than Frazier as well. The Reds have other guys who do what Frazier does. They are really short on guys who can hit against RHP. He had an .820 OPS vs RHP last year (limited sample) .753 in 2010 and 1.190 in 21 PAs in 2009. For his career,he's at .829 OPS against RHP in 193 PAs. Seeing how the Reds face a RHP about 135 times per year, have a corpse playing 3B who needs lots of time off and really only hits against lefties anymore and have a roster filled with flawed middling RH power guys who don't hit against RHP, I think that qualifies as an upgrade.

Blitz Dorsey · 05-10-2012, 07:50 PM

Frazier > Francisco IMO.

dougdirt · 05-10-2012, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mth123

.765 OPS so far. Better than all but 3 or 4 guys on the roster. From everything I've seen, he's a better defender at 3B than Frazier as well. The Reds have other guys who do what Frazier does. They are really short on guys who can hit against RHP. He had an .820 OPS vs RHP last year (limited sample) .753 in 2010 and 1.190 in 21 PAs in 2009. For his career,he's at .829 OPS against RHP in 193 PAs. Seeing how the Reds face a RHP about 135 times per year, have a corpse playing 3B who needs lots of time off and really only hits against lefties anymore and have a roster filled with flawed middling RH power guys who don't hit against RHP, I think that qualifies as an upgrade.

Francisco has a better arm than Frazier, but I would take Fraziers glove at 3B.

Francisco does nothing for me at the plate that Frazier doesn't. Frazier does do things at the plate that Francisco doesn't though.

mth123 · 05-10-2012, 08:02 PM

Frazier hits against LHP and plays lots of spots where the Reds already have guys who hit against LHP. Francisco hits against RHP and plays a position that has 4 other guys on the roster that can't do that (Frazier and his .713 OPs vs. RHP included). Having Francisco to add to the line-up against RHP would do more to upgrade the team than those other guys. Frazier can go in and hit against LHP, but he'd be replacing a guy who already hits against LHP.

This brings me back to my original point. The Reds need a guy who has a chance to hit against RHP who can play a position where the Reds don't have that. Right now Costanzo might be the best chance they have to do that.

05-10-2012, 04:24 PM	#1
mth123 The Big Dog Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 12,672	May 10, Minor League updates Its an off day for the Reds, so we need this. Norfolk at Louisville 6:35 Pensacola at Mississippi at 8:00 Bakersfield at Inland empire at 10:05 Dayton at Lake County at 6:30 __________________ "All I can tell them is pick a good one and sock it." --BABE RUTH Having better players makes "the right time" or "the big hit" happen a lot more often. PLUS PLUS

05-10-2012, 06:46 PM	#2
mth123 The Big Dog Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 12,672	Re: May 10, Minor League updates Reineke gives up a hit and a walk in the top of the 1st, but keeps norfolk off the board. The Bats get a hit from Costanzo, but Phipps GIDP ends the inning. 0-0 after 1. The Reds should consider adding Costanzo. Lefty bat who can play 3B and hit a little. I know he's older, but they really need LH help - especially at 3B IMO. __________________ "All I can tell them is pick a good one and sock it." --BABE RUTH Having better players makes "the right time" or "the big hit" happen a lot more often. PLUS PLUS

05-10-2012, 07:00 PM	#3
mth123 The Big Dog Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 12,672	Re: May 10, Minor League updates Neither team scoredin the second. Neftali Soto had a single. __________________ "All I can tell them is pick a good one and sock it." --BABE RUTH Having better players makes "the right time" or "the big hit" happen a lot more often. PLUS PLUS

05-10-2012, 07:05 PM	#4
texasdave Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 9,530	Re: May 10, Minor League updates Lake County jumped out to a one-run lead on a triple to start their half of the first and a sac fly. Dayton answers with a run in the top of the second. Silva walks, Waldrop singles and a ground ball plates the run. And just that quickly Lake County retakes the lead on a solo home run in the bottom of inning number two. 2-1 Lake County. __________________ Let's hang a Championship Banner this year!!!!!

05-10-2012, 07:07 PM	#5
texasdave Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 9,530	Re: May 10, Minor League updates Norfolk has plated a pair and is still batting in the top of the third. Chad Reineke has given up 6 hits in 2 and a third. __________________ Let's hang a Championship Banner this year!!!!!

05-10-2012, 07:11 PM	#6
mth123 The Big Dog Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 12,672	Re: May 10, Minor League updates Reineke gave up a 2 run homer to Xavier Avery in the top of the 3rd. __________________ "All I can tell them is pick a good one and sock it." --BABE RUTH Having better players makes "the right time" or "the big hit" happen a lot more often. PLUS PLUS

05-10-2012, 07:18 PM	#7
mth123 The Big Dog Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 12,672	Re: May 10, Minor League updates Bats go down in the 3rd. Single for Navarro. __________________ "All I can tell them is pick a good one and sock it." --BABE RUTH Having better players makes "the right time" or "the big hit" happen a lot more often. PLUS PLUS

05-10-2012, 07:50 PM	#13
Blitz Dorsey Party like it's 1990 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,311	Re: May 10, Minor League updates Frazier > Francisco IMO.

05-10-2012, 08:02 PM	#15
mth123 The Big Dog Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 12,672	Re: May 10, Minor League updates Frazier hits against LHP and plays lots of spots where the Reds already have guys who hit against LHP. Francisco hits against RHP and plays a position that has 4 other guys on the roster that can't do that (Frazier and his .713 OPs vs. RHP included). Having Francisco to add to the line-up against RHP would do more to upgrade the team than those other guys. Frazier can go in and hit against LHP, but he'd be replacing a guy who already hits against LHP. This brings me back to my original point. The Reds need a guy who has a chance to hit against RHP who can play a position where the Reds don't have that. Right now Costanzo might be the best chance they have to do that. __________________ "All I can tell them is pick a good one and sock it." --BABE RUTH Having better players makes "the right time" or "the big hit" happen a lot more often. PLUS PLUS

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