Future Farm

[corkedbat]

After the dealings this past winter, I was afraid that it would take two or maybe three years to recover. 've been kind of struck this year about how much talent there seems to be in the farm system (especially in the lower levels.

I know there will be the normal attrition: 6ht year FAs, some guys dealt, some guys going to the Reds, some being released and I know there will be addition through signings trades and waiver pickups for AAAA and filler types.

I think there's a good chance that the Reds could fill most of their levels Louisville to Billings with guys originally drafted by the Reds (I realize a few listed are from deals or waiver pickups). I didn't include anyone that may come over from the DSL or as of yet unsigned 2012 draft picks.

Louisville

CF Ryan LeMarre
SS Didi Gregorious
3B Henry Rodriguez
DH Neftali Soto
1B Beau Mills
3B David Vidal
LF Denis Phipps
RF Josh Feldhauer
CA Mark Fleury

Cody Puckett
Miguel Rojas
Andrew Means
Felix Perez
Bill Reinhardt
Brian Peacock

S1 Daniel Corcino
S2 Kyle Lotzkar
S3 Tony Cingrani (L)
S4 JC Sulbaran
S5 JJ Hoover
LR Pedro Villareal
MR Travis Webb
MR Winfrin Obispo
MR Joe Krebs (L)
MR Josh Judy
RS Nick Christiani
LS Donnie Joseph (L)
CL Jordan Smith


Pensacola

SS Billy Hamilton
CF Theo Bowe
2B Devin Lohman
1B David Lutz
DH Travis mattair
RF Yordanys Perez
LF Bryson Smith
3B Brodie Greene
CA Tucker Barnhart

Niko Vazquez
Jefrey Siera
Steve Selsky
Stephen Hunt
Chris Berset

S1 Chad Rogers
S2 Josh Smith
S3 Justice French
S4 Dan Renken
S5 Tim Crabbe
LR Justin Freeman
MR Blaine Howell (L)
MR Mark Serrano
MR Wilkin De La Rosa (L)
MR Brian Pearl
RS Curtis Partch
LS Chris Manno (L)
CL Drew Hayes


Bakersfield

SS Juan Perez
2B Ryan Wright
CF Yorman Rodriguez
DH Sean Buckley
RF Kyle Waldrop
LF Juan Duran
3B Junior Arias
1B Dominic D'Anna
CA Yovan Gonzalez

Brandon Dailey
Josef Terry
Jeff Gelalich
Juan Silva
Danny Visioso

S1 Jacob Johnson
S2 Rhadames Quezada
S3 Tanner Robles (L)
S4 Daniel Tuttle
S5 Carlos Gonzalez
LR Pat Doyle
MR Dan Wolford
MR Michael Griffin
MR Chris Joyce (L)
MR El'Hajj Muhammad
RS Carlos Contreras
LS Kyle McMyne (L)
CL Brooks Pinkard


Dayton

CF Beau Amaral
2B Sammy Diaz
LF Daniel Pigott
1B Robert Maddox
DH Carlos Sanchez
3B Robert Ramirez
RF Jonathan Reynoso
CA Fray Sosa
SS Brian Peterson

Taylor Wrenn
Jon Matthews
Bryan Arias
Jhimmy Lopez
Spencer Dickson
Brennan May
Nick O'Shea
Julio Morillo
Wagner Gomez

S1 Wes Mugarian
S2 Drew Cisco
S3 Ishmael Guillon (L)
S4 Sal Romano
S5 Stalin Gerson
LR James Allen
MR Joel Bender (L)
MR Dan Jensen
MR Cole Green
MR Nolan Becker (L)
RS Alejandro Chacin
LS Nick Routt (L)
CL Matt Wiley


Billings

CF Elliott Hargreaves
2B Ty Washington
3B Tanner Rahier
LF Gabe Rosa
RF Jesse Winker
DH Sean Mejias-Brean
1B Argenis Aldazoro
CA Joe Hudson
SS Humberto Valor

Avain Rachal
Ronald Bueno
Jonathan Reynoso
Nick Benadetto
Wilfred Estevez
Bryan Arias
Porciano Flores
Daniel Paula

Josh Kennelly

S1 Robert Stephenson
S2 Nick Travieso
S3 Amir Garrett (L)
S4 Jon Moscot
S5 Mitch Clarke (L)
S6 Mason Felt (L)
LR Vaugn Covington
LR Jose Williams
MR Michael Denhardt
MR Ben Klimsch
MR Wandy Peralta (L)
MR Abel De Los Santos
MR Carlos Ramos
R7 Jose Ameczuca
L7 Jordan Remer (L)
R8 Jesus Adames
L8 Richard McCaffrey (L)
CL Michael Salter

Position Players not listed

Dioner Navarro
Corky Miller
Mike Costanzo
Paul Janish
Daryl Jones
Danny Dorn
Chris Valaika
Kris Negron
Joe Gathright

(Goodyear)

Daniel Paula

Pitchers not listed

Scott Carroll
Ryan Feierabend
Carlos Fisher
Sean Gallagher
Tim Gustafson
Chad Reineke
Brett Tomlo
Kanekoa Texiera
Luis Aitano
Josh Ravin
Andrew Brackman
Ryan Keil
Ryan Kemp
Jamie Walczak

(Goodyear)

Kevin Arrico
Pedro Diaz
Nick Fleece
Jose Guzman
Robert Lewis-Walker
Austin Muehring
Jonathan Perez
Longi Pineda
Mike Saunders
Weleen Taveras
Jackson Stephens

[cinreds21]

Why would you have Hoover starting when all he's done this year is relieve while Pedro Villarreal has held his own in Louisville?

[corkedbat]

Originally Posted by cinreds21

Why would you have Hoover starting when all he's done this year is relieve while Pedro Villarreal has held his own in Louisville?

Wasn't worried about 100% accuracy. I'd like to see them give Hoover a shot at starting though.

[camisadelgolf]

Assuming none of the free-agents-to-be are resigned, this is about how I see it shaking out next year:

	Cincinnati	Louisville	Pensacola	Bakersfield	Dayton
C	Ryan Hanigan	free agent	Tucker Barnhart	Chris Berset	Joe Hudson
1B	Joey Votto	Neftali Soto	Donald Lutz	Sean Buckley	Brandon Dailey
2B	BrandonPhillips	Brodie Greene	Devin Lohman	Ryan Wright	Taylor Wrenn
3B	Todd Frazier	Henry Rodriguez	David Vidal	Junior Arias	Tanner Rahier
SS	Zack Cozart	Didi Gregorius	Billy Hamilton	Juan Perez	Brent Peterson
LF	Chris Heisey	Cody Puckett	Juan Duran	Kyle Waldrop	Jesse Winker
CF	Drew Stubbs	Ryan LaMarre	Bryson Smith	Theo Bowe	Jeff Gelalich
RF	Jay Bruce	Josh Fellhauer	Yordanys Perez	YormanRodriguez	Beau Amaral
DH			Bill Rhinehart	Dominic D'Anna	Steve Selsky	Juan Silva
C	Devin Mesoraco	free agent	Mark Fleury	Yovan Gonzalez	Nick O'Shea
IF 	Mike Costanzo							Aldi Guzman
IF	Paul Janish			
OF 	Denis Phipps	Felix Perez	Andrew Means	Kurt Muller	
UT	Wilson Valdez	Kris Negron	free agent	Travis Mattair	Joe Terry
					
SP	Mat Latos	PedroVillarreal	Tony Cingrani	RadhamesQuezada	Robert Stephenson
SP	Johnny Cueto	Kyle Lotzkar	Chad Rogers	Tanner Robles	Drew Cisco
SP	Mike Leake	Dan Corcino	Dan Renken	Stalin Gerson	Nick Travieso
SP	Homer Bailey	J.C. Sulbaran	Josh Smith	Jake Johnson	Sal Romano
SP	Bronson Arroyo	Tim Crabbe	Curt Partch	Dan Tuttle	Jon Moscot
SP			Mark Serrano	Justice French	Carlos Gonzalez	Wes Mugarian
RP	Aroldis Chapman	Brian Pearl	Drew Hayes	CarlosContreras	Dan Langfield
RP	Sean Marshall	Donnie Joseph	Blaine Howell	James Allen	Mason Felt
RP	Nick Masset	Chris Manno	Chris Joyce	Ryan Kemp	Nolan Becker
RP	Jose Arredondo	J.J. Hoover	Kyle McMyne	Brooks Pinckard	Nick Routt
RP	Alfredo Simon	Logan Ondrusek	Jamie Walczak	Mike Dennhardt	Jordan Remer
RP	Bill Bray	Nick Christiani	Pat Doyle	El'HajjMuhammad	Lucas O'Rear
RP	Sam LeCure	Scott Carroll	Dan Wolford	Cole Green	Ben Klimesh
RP			Justin Freeman	Erik Miller	Dan Jensen	Tony Amezcua

[Scrap Irony]

Cingrani back in AA to start 2013? No chance if he continues to pitch like he has in AA so far-- 2/3 as many hits as IP with a K rate over 11.5 and a 2.15 ERA will move him up. (The new-found confidence he apparently has in his slider should also pay dividends.)

Louisville's rotation will be stacked, assuming no deals:
Corcino
Cingrani
Lotzkar
Sulburan
Villareal

Upside, upside, upside.

[bellhead]

Originally Posted by Scrap Irony

Cingrani back in AA to start 2013? No chance if he continues to pitch like he has in AA so far-- 2/3 as many hits as IP with a K rate over 11.5 and a 2.15 ERA will move him up. (The new-found confidence he apparently has in his slider should also pay dividends.)

Louisville's rotation will be stacked, assuming no deals:
Corcino
Cingrani
Lotzkar
Sulburan
Villareal

Upside, upside, upside.

Phat Tony's ETA is around 2014, mostly he needs to work on his secondary stuff and innings... Dude is Phat...

[Scrap Irony]

Cingrani's secondary stuff plays up because his fastball has good movement. He doesn't need a great slider, just an average one. It does him no good to dominate AA with two pitches-- he needs to go to Louisville and pitch against those AAAA guys that can mash a fastball with movement to see how he stacks up.

The innings he can get in both Pennsacola and Louisville.

[camisadelgolf]

I was just thinking it'd be nice if he faced some of the hitters multiple times. There's no need to rush him.

[corkedbat]

Is the guy you've got listed as Aldi Guzman the same as Argenis Aldazoro? I know they changed his name on the roster a couple of times. Kinda confusing. Or is Guzman injured?

[Benihana]

Originally Posted by camisadelgolf

Assuming none of the free-agents-to-be are resigned, this is about how I see it shaking out next year:

	Cincinnati	Louisville	Pensacola	Bakersfield	Dayton
C	Ryan Hanigan	free agent	Tucker Barnhart	Chris Berset	Joe Hudson
1B	Joey Votto	Neftali Soto	Donald Lutz	Sean Buckley	Brandon Dailey
2B	BrandonPhillips	Brodie Greene	Devin Lohman	Ryan Wright	Taylor Wrenn
3B	Todd Frazier	Henry Rodriguez	David Vidal	Junior Arias	Tanner Rahier
SS	Zack Cozart	Didi Gregorius	Billy Hamilton	Juan Perez	Brent Peterson
LF	Chris Heisey	Cody Puckett	Juan Duran	Kyle Waldrop	Jesse Winker
CF	Drew Stubbs	Ryan LaMarre	Bryson Smith	Theo Bowe	Jeff Gelalich
RF	Jay Bruce	Josh Fellhauer	Yordanys Perez	YormanRodriguez	Beau Amaral
DH			Bill Rhinehart	Dominic D'Anna	Steve Selsky	Juan Silva
C	Devin Mesoraco	free agent	Mark Fleury	Yovan Gonzalez	Nick O'Shea
IF 	Mike Costanzo							Aldi Guzman
IF	Paul Janish			
OF 	Denis Phipps	Felix Perez	Andrew Means	Kurt Muller	
UT	Wilson Valdez	Kris Negron	free agent	Travis Mattair	Joe Terry
					
SP	Mat Latos	PedroVillarreal	Tony Cingrani	RadhamesQuezada	Robert Stephenson
SP	Johnny Cueto	Kyle Lotzkar	Chad Rogers	Tanner Robles	Drew Cisco
SP	Mike Leake	Dan Corcino	Dan Renken	Stalin Gerson	Nick Travieso
SP	Homer Bailey	J.C. Sulbaran	Josh Smith	Jake Johnson	Sal Romano
SP	Bronson Arroyo	Tim Crabbe	Curt Partch	Dan Tuttle	Jon Moscot
SP			Mark Serrano	Justice French	Carlos Gonzalez	Wes Mugarian
RP	Aroldis Chapman	Brian Pearl	Drew Hayes	CarlosContreras	Dan Langfield
RP	Sean Marshall	Donnie Joseph	Blaine Howell	James Allen	Mason Felt
RP	Nick Masset	Chris Manno	Chris Joyce	Ryan Kemp	Nolan Becker
RP	Jose Arredondo	J.J. Hoover	Kyle McMyne	Brooks Pinckard	Nick Routt
RP	Alfredo Simon	Logan Ondrusek	Jamie Walczak	Mike Dennhardt	Jordan Remer
RP	Bill Bray	Nick Christiani	Pat Doyle	El'HajjMuhammad	Lucas O'Rear
RP	Sam LeCure	Scott Carroll	Dan Wolford	Cole Green	Ben Klimesh
RP			Justin Freeman	Erik Miller	Dan Jensen	Tony Amezcua

Overall good work, and I love thinking about this kind of stuff (while the naysayers say it's too early, blah blah blah)...

My comments:

1. I think Cingrani has the whole second half of this season to continue to hone his craft and work on secondary stuff in AA. I think he begins 2013 in AAA along with the rest of the stacked rotation Scrap cited.

2. I think LaMarre would get a look at a backup spot in Cincy before Phipps, but I'm not sure if either starts 2013 with the big club.

3. Lutz has got to stay in LF if he has a future in this organization. I'd like to see him playing there in Pensacola right now, but definitely in 2013 (over someone like Perez).

4. I think Amaral plays CF in Dayton next year, with Winker in RF and someone else in LF. I think Gelalich goes to Bakersfield to play RF (I think he plays out this season in Dayton), with some combination of Yorman/Bowe in CF next year in Bakersfield.

5. Obviously a hotly debated topic, but don't be surprised to see Hamilton in CF next year- especially if it's being occupied by a non-prospect like Bryson Smith. He may move, he may not- but don't be surprised either way.

6. Where are Seth Mejias-Brean and Gabe Rosa? Have to think Rosa is starting in Dayton next year, either at 3B or in the OF (if Rahier gets bumped to Dayton)

7. I think Felt will spend another year in rookie ball. As I mentioned on another thread, I think Travieso could make the jump to Dayton but all the other HS pitchers likely spend another year in Rookie League.

8. I wonder if Duran repeats Bakersfield for another year, next to his fellow international signee enigma Yorman Rodriguez. Who knows- to make room, maybe someone like Kyle Waldrop jumps a level?

9. Langfield (depending on whether he's a starter or reliever), Guillon and possibly even Garrett could easily sneak into the Dayton rotation next year. Garrett could also be destined for another year in Rookie Ball. Gotta love the way the Louisville and Dayton rotations are shaping up.

10. I think Hoover and Joseph could and should get a shot to stick with the big club in ST next year. Could say the same for Henry Rodriguez at 3B (and backup 1B/2B).

[bellhead]

As far as Billy goes, I think his ultimate position is decided by Stubbs and Cozart which one do you want to keep?

[Vottomatic]

Originally Posted by cinreds21

Why would you have Hoover starting when all he's done this year is relieve while Pedro Villarreal has held his own in Louisville?

I believe, Hoover pitched more innings as a starter than reliever in the Braves minor league system.

And what's more valuable.......relievers or starters?

Man, I'd love to see a Louisville rotation of Corcino, Cingrani, Lotzkar, Sulbaran, Hoover and/or Villareal. If they rose to the occasion, Reds would be in great position on the trade front.........either by trading a major league starter or one or two of these guys.

Definitely wish Lutz could make it to Louisville next year in LF.
And definitely want Hamilton playing CF at Pensacola. Cross my fingers.

[camisadelgolf]

Originally Posted by Vottomatic

I believe, Hoover pitched more innings as a starter than reliever in the Braves minor league system.

And what's more valuable.......relievers or starters?

Man, I'd love to see a Louisville rotation of Corcino, Cingrani, Lotzkar, Sulbaran, Hoover and/or Villareal. If they rose to the occasion, Reds would be in great position on the trade front.........either by trading a major league starter or one or two of these guys.

Definitely wish Lutz could make it to Louisville next year in LF.
And definitely want Hamilton playing CF at Pensacola. Cross my fingers.

A good reliever is worth more than a bad starter.