NL MVP McCutchen????

[MikeThierry]

I'm reading this article by Stark and while I agree with many of his decisions here, I can't put McCutchen as mvp. Votto is clearly the best hitter in the game right now and where would the Reds be without him? It amazes me that McCutchen is winning in the Sports Nation poll by a wide margin as well. I guess people like the feel good story rather than what is realistic.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/81...dseason-awards

[reds44]

He won't be when they finish 10 games under .500.

[westofyou]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...tto/index.html

NL MVP
1. Joey Votto, Reds
2. Andrew McCutchen, Pirates
3. David Wright, Mets
4. Ryan Braun, Brewers
5. Melky Cabrera, Giants
6. Carlos Ruiz, Phillies
7. Carlos Beltran, Cardinals
8. Carlos Gonzalez, Rockies
9. Giancarlo Stanton, Marlins
10. R.A. Dickey, Mets

[MikeThierry]

Originally Posted by westofyou

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...tto/index.html

NL MVP
1. Joey Votto, Reds
2. Andrew McCutchen, Pirates
3. David Wright, Mets
4. Ryan Braun, Brewers
5. Melky Cabrera, Giants
6. Carlos Ruiz, Phillies
7. Carlos Beltran, Cardinals
8. Carlos Gonzalez, Rockies
9. Giancarlo Stanton, Marlins
10. R.A. Dickey, Mets

Verducci's list seems more logical.

[RedlegJake]

I can definitely see why McCutcheon is being listed very high in the MVP list. Look very closely at his numbers and Joey's. Mac is having a career year, his Pirates are the feel good story of the summer, he plays a more critical defensive position and I feel he has been every bit as important to the Pirates or more so than Votto has been to the Reds in driving both teams pretty much 1 weapon offenses. Just because I'm a Reds and Votto fan doesn't mean I can't see the validity of McCutcheon's argument. In fact if the season ended today I'd vote for Andrew! But there's this funny marathon thing about baseball and its just July 6th and there is a lot of baseball left. Mac and the Pirates were in this position later than this last season and dropped like a bomb once August got going. Let's re-examine this the first week in October.

[PuffyPig]

Right now I would likely pick McCutheon as his Pirates are leading.

Votto beat Pujols in 2010 for largley the same reason.

[powersackers]

Originally Posted by PuffyPig

Right now I would likely pick McCutheon as his Pirates are leading.

Votto beat Pujols in 2010 for largley the same reason.

Same.

[smith288]

Nah. McCutchen's hair bothers me. VOTTOOOOOOOOO

[Homer Bailey]

Originally Posted by PuffyPig

Right now I would likely pick McCutheon as his Pirates are leading.

Votto beat Pujols in 2010 for largley the same reason.

I'm surprised by this line of thinking Puffy. I tend to agree with you 90+% of the time, but I don't consider the standings when I consider who the most valuable player is. That person so far has been Votto. It's not absurd to consider AM as the MVP, I just don't think he does anything better than Votto does, other than stealing bases.

[RedlegJake]

Originally Posted by smith288

Nah. McCutchen's hair bothers me. VOTTOOOOOOOOO

Doesn't bother me ever since Cueto started pitching for the Reds

[MikeThierry]

Originally Posted by Homer Bailey

I'm surprised by this line of thinking Puffy. I tend to agree with you 90+% of the time, but I don't consider the standings when I consider who the most valuable player is. That person so far has been Votto. It's not absurd to consider AM as the MVP, I just don't think he does anything better than Votto does, other than stealing bases.

We don't agree much Homer, but I agree with you 100% here. Convergence of the universe maybe?

I can't overlook a player thats having arguably the best year of any player since Pujols 2008 season. Votto is clearly the best player this year. Just as Pujols won it in 2008 despite his team not making the playoffs, so too should Votto even if the Reds aren't in 1st. I don't think standings should have anything to do with it if the player is having arguably one of the best years of any player (outside of a roided Bonds) in a decade or so.

[Homer Bailey]

Originally Posted by MikeThierry

We don't agree much Homer, but I agree with you 100% here. Convergence of the universe maybe?

I can't overlook a player thats having arguably the best year of any player since Pujols 2008 season. Votto is clearly the best player this year. Just as Pujols won it in 2008 despite his team not making the playoffs, so too should Votto even if the Reds aren't in 1st. I don't think standings should have anything to do with it if the player is having arguably one of the best years of any player (outside of a roided Bonds) in a decade or so.

If you agree with me, then I know I'm wrong!

For the record, I said the same thing in 2010. I thought Votto deserved to win over Pujols, but it should not have been the margin that it was.

[MikeThierry]

Originally Posted by Homer Bailey

If you agree with me, then I know I'm wrong!

For the record, I said the same thing in 2010. I thought Votto deserved to win over Pujols, but it should not have been the margin that it was.

Yeah I agree. I know that Strauss of the STL Post Dispatch got a lot of flack for being the only Pujols vote but I didn't think it was as clear cut of a choice as the voters made it out to be. Pujols actually had a better WAR than Votto did that year.

[PuffyPig]

Originally Posted by Homer Bailey

I'm surprised by this line of thinking Puffy. I tend to agree with you 90+% of the time, but I don't consider the standings when I consider who the most valuable player is. That person so far has been Votto. It's not absurd to consider AM as the MVP, I just don't think he does anything better than Votto does, other than stealing bases.

McCutheon plays a premium defensive postion at an elite level with trumps Votto's elite fielding 1B.

McCutheon's hitting is certainly in the ballpark with Votto.

When elite players are close, the fact they have led their team into the playoffs is the deciding point.

[jojo]

Its a shame the Ruiz is having the season he is having amid the season that the Phillies are having.