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Old 07-06-2012, 07:21 PM   #1
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July 6th, 2012- Reds @ Padres

Cozart 6, Stubbs 8, Votto 3, Phillips 4, Bruce 9, Ludwick 7, Frazier 5, Hanigan 2, Arroyo RHP

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Old 07-06-2012, 07:24 PM   #2
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Re: July 6th, 2012- Reds @ Padres

Not shocked, but I still shake my head.
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Old 07-06-2012, 07:33 PM   #3
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Re: July 6th, 2012- Reds @ Padres

There isn't a way to shuffle those deck chairs that's really going to make a big difference. The fact is the Reds need more players who make less outs. Barring that this offense is going to continue to be incredibly frustrating.
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Old 07-06-2012, 07:39 PM   #4
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Sure there is: Phillips batting 1st is a start. Or anything where the two worst hitters are not hitting in front of the team's best.
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Old 07-06-2012, 07:40 PM   #5
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Re: July 6th, 2012- Reds @ Padres

Cozart and Stubbs are the top two outmakers on the team. While a lot of the players make a lot of outs, putting literally the two kings of that castle at the top of the lineup is absurd.
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Old 07-06-2012, 07:51 PM   #6
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Re: July 6th, 2012- Reds @ Padres

I'm perfectly fine with the idea of Phillips batting lead off but regardless of where anybody is hitting when you have 3-4 guys in the lineup struggling to OBP .300 the marginal value of where they hit isn't going to make all that much difference aside from making us feel better.
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Re: July 6th, 2012- Reds @ Padres

I tend to think that Frazier's .335 OBP would be nice in the 2-hole.
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There isn't a way to shuffle those deck chairs that's really going to make a big difference. The fact is the Reds need more players who make less outs. Barring that this offense is going to continue to be incredibly frustrating.
Yep, short of having Phillips, Bruce and Votto bat 1-2-3, changes in the lineup aren't going to have much effect.
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Old 07-06-2012, 08:09 PM   #9
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Re: July 6th, 2012- Reds @ Padres

To be clear, if it was up to me Stubbs and Cozart would be batting 7 & 8....
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Old 07-06-2012, 08:41 PM   #12
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I disagree there would ne effect from having BP 1st Frazier 2nd then Votto Ludwick and Bruce. You're replacing 2 abysmal OBP with 2 guys with decent OBPs. That alone would make a big difference.
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Old 07-06-2012, 08:43 PM   #13
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Re: July 6th, 2012- Reds @ Padres

Pirates are trailing in 4th 5-3 but they are threatening with guys 1 and 3rd. Zito gets out of it nothing scoring. Bedard's already been knocked out by the Giants. Pirates pen is in the game.
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Old 07-06-2012, 08:57 PM   #14
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I disagree there would ne effect from having BP 1st Frazier 2nd then Votto Ludwick and Bruce. You're replacing 2 abysmal OBP with 2 guys with decent OBPs. That alone would make a big difference.
I'm not saying there'd be no effect. I'm just saying that sufficient studies have been done to indicate that the cumulative effect of shuffling the batting order is marginal. That argument sailed ten years ago. If the Reds want to make a real difference they need to replace some of the players they are currently running out there. Anybody who thinks that the Reds are going to substantially increase the number of runs they are scoring by juggling the current players in rotation is fooling themselves.

TMBS, I'm sick of seeing Stubbs and and Cozart at the top of the lineup too...
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