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corkedbat · 07-08-2012, 08:10 PM

Forgot about it. Anyone got a link to a box score (or Billy's line)?

Can someone change the first letter of my thread header to an F also?

JaxRed · 07-08-2012, 08:16 PM

Give me an F !!

Vottomatic · 07-08-2012, 08:18 PM

Can't wait to see some of these tuture players.

dougdirt · 07-08-2012, 08:27 PM

Billy went 1-3 with a triple and two very weak ground balls. I didn't time the triple, but saw elsewhere he was under 11 seconds on it and he didn't break out of the box for a triple (a solid Major Leaguer probably catches it, this guy broke in at first when he probably should have just taken a few strides backwards, but it was too late). One of the grounders was a DP as the 2B just tagged the runner as he went by then went to first.

lollipopcurve · 07-08-2012, 08:38 PM

Was glad to see Hamilton drive that ball to CF. While the CF misplayed it some, it was a legit line drive that nearly made the warning track on the fly. On the other hand, he made a poor throw on a play at SS -- doesn't look to have the most natural arm over there. His defensive position could become an issue.... maybe as soon as this offseason.

redsmetz · 07-08-2012, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JaxRed

Give me an F !!

Yeah, let's just stop it right there...

Scrap Irony · 07-08-2012, 10:04 PM

Some interesting comments from the ESPN crew:

-- Lots of love for Billy Hamilton. Good patience at the plate, 80+ speed, great work ethic, kid, etc. Star potential. "Reds love him."

-- Lotzkar's 90-94 with a "plus-plus" slider. Lotzkar praised for getting Singleton out for the first time on a "very good pitch". Despite injuries and other teams asking for him in trades, Reds and Jocketty "love him" too.

powersackers · 07-09-2012, 02:09 AM

Lotzkar was one of the only World pitchers to have a "clean inning" though it was spread across two innings. He gave up at least 1 hit though.

All Hamilton Highlights available here in a "mic'd" up piece.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...s_cin&c_id=cin

powersackers · 07-09-2012, 02:15 AM

Boxscore

http://www.milb.com/gameday/index.js...1&mode=gameday

camisadelgolf · 07-09-2012, 02:59 AM

Is Ariel Pena still considered a prospect after his performance? Yikes.

MikeS21 · 07-09-2012, 10:19 AM

I saw the Hamilton triple. In all fairness, while it is true that the CF probably misplayed the line drive (and it was a legitimate line drive), the OF was playing in. As far as the actual misplay, the CF appeared to read it as a sinking line drive. Problem was, it didn't sink. Hamilton really didn't turn on the jets until he reached 1B and saw the ball go over the head of the CF. The kid flew to 3B. Not sure I have ever seen anyone go from 1B to 3B that fast.

What doesn't show up in the box score is the play that followed Hamilton's triple. Hamilton is at 3B. The next batter hits a chopper that is fielded by the pitcher. The pitcher turns and sees Hamilton bouncing all over the 3B line. The pitcher then turns to throw out the batter at 1B and hurries his throw and throws the ball in the dirt for an error. Hamilton walks home and the batter winds up on 2B. The announcers went on and on how that Hamilton made that play happen because the pitcher was so worried about looking Hamilton back to 3B.

I'm not one to cut Hamilton a lot of slack, but if he can learn the art of being a distraction on the base paths - Joe Morgan was a master at this - it will serve him well even at the higher levels.

Scrap Irony · 07-09-2012, 10:36 AM

That's what speed does, Mike, that many disregard because it's not quantifiable.

What's really cool is the idea that Hamilton can get to 3B faster. He wasn't running full-tilt boogie until after he rounded the bag at first. That speed is just incredible. I've watched prospects for 15 year or so, and he's by far the fastest guy I've seen in terms of affecting the game. He uses it as the weapon it could be.

redsof72 · 07-09-2012, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeS21

What doesn't show up in the box score is the play that followed Hamilton's triple. Hamilton is at 3B. The next batter hits a chopper that is fielded by the pitcher. The pitcher turns and sees Hamilton bouncing all over the 3B line. The pitcher then turns to throw out the batter at 1B and hurries his throw and throws the ball in the dirt for an error. Hamilton walks home and the batter winds up on 2B. The announcers went on and on how that Hamilton made that play happen because the pitcher was so worried about looking Hamilton back to 3B.

For those who have seen Hamilton on a regular basis, this was the play (or a variation of it) that we have seen countless times. It's his overall impact on the game that can't be measured by an OPS.

icehole3 · 07-09-2012, 05:18 PM

Hamilton creates the same buzz at the plate that Rose/Morgan would create during the glory years

07-08-2012, 08:10 PM	#1
corkedbat Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Lexington Posts: 4,951	Tutures Game Forgot about it. Anyone got a link to a box score (or Billy's line)? Can someone change the first letter of my thread header to an F also? Last edited by corkedbat; 07-08-2012 at 08:48 PM.

07-08-2012, 08:16 PM	#2
JaxRed Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 9,228	Re: Tutures Game Give me an F !!

07-08-2012, 08:18 PM	#3
Vottomatic All work and no play..... Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Lebanon Posts: 6,820	Re: Tutures Game Can't wait to see some of these tuture players. __________________ "I can't take this homerism anymore." - 10xWSChamps, August 11, 2010. A Cardinals fan having a problem with all the homerism on Redszone. Classic. "Man do I miss the days where were didn't need a calculator and an encyclopedia of baseball metrics to enjoy a baseball game ... - MikeS21" - 8/2/12 game thread

07-08-2012, 08:27 PM	#4
dougdirt The Boss Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 30,727	Re: Tutures Game Billy went 1-3 with a triple and two very weak ground balls. I didn't time the triple, but saw elsewhere he was under 11 seconds on it and he didn't break out of the box for a triple (a solid Major Leaguer probably catches it, this guy broke in at first when he probably should have just taken a few strides backwards, but it was too late). One of the grounders was a DP as the 2B just tagged the runner as he went by then went to first. __________________ www.redsminorleagues.com

07-08-2012, 08:38 PM	#5
lollipopcurve Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Shelburne Falls, MA Posts: 9,483	Re: Tutures Game Was glad to see Hamilton drive that ball to CF. While the CF misplayed it some, it was a legit line drive that nearly made the warning track on the fly. On the other hand, he made a poor throw on a play at SS -- doesn't look to have the most natural arm over there. His defensive position could become an issue.... maybe as soon as this offseason. __________________ "Baseball is a very, very complex business. It's more of a people business than most businesses." - Bob Castellini

07-08-2012, 10:04 PM	#7
Scrap Irony Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Bedford, KY Posts: 8,992	Re: Tutures Game Some interesting comments from the ESPN crew: -- Lots of love for Billy Hamilton. Good patience at the plate, 80+ speed, great work ethic, kid, etc. Star potential. "Reds love him." -- Lotzkar's 90-94 with a "plus-plus" slider. Lotzkar praised for getting Singleton out for the first time on a "very good pitch". Despite injuries and other teams asking for him in trades, Reds and Jocketty "love him" too. __________________ "You can learn little from victory. You can learn everything from defeat." -- Christy Matthewson "Show me a good loser and I'll show you an idiot." -- Leo Durocher

07-09-2012, 02:09 AM	#8
powersackers Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 761	Re: Tutures Game Lotzkar was one of the only World pitchers to have a "clean inning" though it was spread across two innings. He gave up at least 1 hit though. All Hamilton Highlights available here in a "mic'd" up piece. http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...s_cin&c_id=cin __________________ Attended 1976 World Series in my Mother's Womb. Attended 1990 World Series Game 2 as a 13 year old. Want to take my son to a a World Series Game in Cincinnati in my lifetime.

07-09-2012, 02:15 AM	#9
powersackers Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 761	Re: Tutures Game Boxscore http://www.milb.com/gameday/index.js...1&mode=gameday __________________ Attended 1976 World Series in my Mother's Womb. Attended 1990 World Series Game 2 as a 13 year old. Want to take my son to a a World Series Game in Cincinnati in my lifetime.

07-09-2012, 02:59 AM	#10
camisadelgolf Vampire Weekend @Bernie's Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 11,311	Re: Tutures Game Is Ariel Pena still considered a prospect after his performance? Yikes. __________________ Get MLBtraderumors Reds updates on Facebook. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Reds-R...33794710005587 http://i.imgur.com/1bCKpaH.jpg

07-09-2012, 10:19 AM	#11
MikeS21 Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Ohio Posts: 3,653	Re: Tutures Game I saw the Hamilton triple. In all fairness, while it is true that the CF probably misplayed the line drive (and it was a legitimate line drive), the OF was playing in. As far as the actual misplay, the CF appeared to read it as a sinking line drive. Problem was, it didn't sink. Hamilton really didn't turn on the jets until he reached 1B and saw the ball go over the head of the CF. The kid flew to 3B. Not sure I have ever seen anyone go from 1B to 3B that fast. What doesn't show up in the box score is the play that followed Hamilton's triple. Hamilton is at 3B. The next batter hits a chopper that is fielded by the pitcher. The pitcher turns and sees Hamilton bouncing all over the 3B line. The pitcher then turns to throw out the batter at 1B and hurries his throw and throws the ball in the dirt for an error. Hamilton walks home and the batter winds up on 2B. The announcers went on and on how that Hamilton made that play happen because the pitcher was so worried about looking Hamilton back to 3B. I'm not one to cut Hamilton a lot of slack, but if he can learn the art of being a distraction on the base paths - Joe Morgan was a master at this - it will serve him well even at the higher levels. __________________ Opinions are like belly buttons. Everybody has one, and they don't want someone else's shoved into their face.

07-09-2012, 10:36 AM	#12
Scrap Irony Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Bedford, KY Posts: 8,992	Re: Tutures Game That's what speed does, Mike, that many disregard because it's not quantifiable. What's really cool is the idea that Hamilton can get to 3B faster. He wasn't running full-tilt boogie until after he rounded the bag at first. That speed is just incredible. I've watched prospects for 15 year or so, and he's by far the fastest guy I've seen in terms of affecting the game. He uses it as the weapon it could be. __________________ "You can learn little from victory. You can learn everything from defeat." -- Christy Matthewson "Show me a good loser and I'll show you an idiot." -- Leo Durocher

07-09-2012, 05:18 PM	#14
icehole3 Member Join Date: May 2000 Posts: 3,027	Re: Tutures Game Hamilton creates the same buzz at the plate that Rose/Morgan would create during the glory years

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