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07-09-2012, 11:13 PM
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East coast media bias; should Todd Frazier be an all star instead of Bryce Harper?
At the All Star break:
Bryce Harper's 2012 MLB stats: .282/.354/.472 for an OPS of .826, with 8 HRs, and 10 SBs. Bryce has 277 PAs is 63 games. Todd Frazier' 2012 MLB stats: .278/.345/.556 for an OPS of .901 with 9 HRs and 1 SB. Todd has 200 PAs in 60 games. Yet not only is Harper an all star, Frazier was never even mentioned. Heck, Frazier hasn't convinced Dusty that he should be starting at third over Scott Rolen.
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07-09-2012, 11:15 PM
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As far as bias... Really? He is 19!!! A wonderful age, and he is owning the game. |
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07-09-2012, 11:22 PM
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Re: East coast media bias; should Todd Frazier be an all star instead of Bryce Harper
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07-09-2012, 11:26 PM
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Et tu, Brutus?
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Re: East coast media bias; should Todd Frazier be an all star instead of Bryce Harper
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Right now, there are a lot of other players in the league having better seasons whether they're 19 or 35. I do think there is something to be said for the bias. After all, Mike Trout is only a year older and he's got 130 OPS points on Harper, but still most of the media attention goes to Bryce. What Harper is doing at 19 is certainly impressive. Nonetheless, he's not the greatest thing since sliced bread (at least yet).
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07-09-2012, 11:34 PM
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Re: East coast media bias; should Todd Frazier be an all star instead of Bryce Harper
Harper was voted in by the fans. Is the argument that fans would have voted in Frazier?
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07-09-2012, 11:42 PM
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Re: East coast media bias; should Todd Frazier be an all star instead of Bryce Harper
Thanks for pointing this out, mb. I have given up on worrying about fairness in all-star selections. It just really isn't about fairness.
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07-09-2012, 11:45 PM
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Re: East coast media bias; should Todd Frazier be an all star instead of Bryce Harper
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Don't get me wrong, I am intrigued by Harper. He may someday be a huge superstar. But I also think all star selection should be based on performance, and in Harper's case, this year, his selection was based on media hype.
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07-09-2012, 11:59 PM
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07-10-2012, 06:55 AM
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07-10-2012, 07:18 AM
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Re: East coast media bias; should Todd Frazier be an all star instead of Bryce Harper
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07-10-2012, 09:28 AM
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07-10-2012, 09:41 AM
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Re: East coast media bias; should Todd Frazier be an all star instead of Bryce Harper
First off let me say that given the numbers straight up, Frazier wins over Harper. Hell, Cozart probably comes close too. However...
The game is the "All-Star Game". Stars aren't necessarily the best performing players at the time, although they often tend to be. For instance Frazier v. Harper. However, Harper, with all the hype, and being just 19, IS becoming a star. Frazier may or may not become one, but right now he doesn't have the star power that Harper does.
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07-10-2012, 09:43 AM
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On the other hand, the Nats have a reliever that throws as hard as Chapman does and he doesn't get anywhere near the publicity Chapman does. So maybe it evens out.
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07-10-2012, 09:47 AM
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07-10-2012, 09:55 AM
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Re: East coast media bias; should Todd Frazier be an all star instead of Bryce Harper
It would be nice if baseball could prop up more players from smaller markets. Not sure how much more the Yankees/Red Sox/Mets, et al, players can be built up more. Frazier has an interesting story to go along with his rookie season success, but I rarely hear anything about it.
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