Penn State / Jerry Sandusky Pt. II

[KronoRed]

I don't understand why some think the football program alone deserves punishment, seems top to bottom PSU is in the wrong.

The big 10+2 should give them the boot.

[Dom Heffner]

Originally Posted by Sea Ray

It gets back to evidence Dom. If new facts come to the table that show that Paterno knew that this guy was a pedophile then I'll agree with you that he deserves whatever gets thrown at him, but unlike you I need those facts and we sure didn't have them last fall

If new facts come to the table? Can you read?

[Caveat Emperor]

Originally Posted by KronoRed

I don't understand why some think the football program alone deserves punishment, seems top to bottom PSU is in the wrong.

The big 10+2 should give them the boot.

The University prioritized maintaining the Joe Paterno legacy -- the "legendary" coach that raised money from boosters and brought home prized recruits to play in front of the sold-out stadiums -- over protecting innocent children, following the law, and doing the right thing.

The Big 10+2 should absolutely give them the boot and the NCAA should absolutely give the football program the death penalty.

As far as I'm concerned, every dime that program has taken in since the initial cover-up happened is blood money -- earned by men who were living a lie and allowing others to be irreparably harmed to protect that lie.

[dougdirt]

Originally Posted by Dom Heffner

If new facts come to the table? Can you read?

Can you read? He was saying that last fall, when it broke, that he needed to know those facts and that they weren't there at the time.

[Scrap Irony]

Hasn't Sandusky already been convicted? If so, can't we drop the "alleged"?

[Redsfaithful]

Originally Posted by dougdirt

Can you read? He was saying that last fall, when it broke, that he needed to know those facts and that they weren't there at the time.

It's hard to parse what he's saying because the first half of the sentence and the second don't line up.

If I'd defended Paterno through this I'd probably just keep quiet at this point, honestly.

[Sea Ray]

Originally Posted by Dom Heffner

If new facts come to the table? Can you read?

Sure. I go where the facts lead me. I gave Paterno the benefit of the doubt and took him at his word. I think he deserved that. Now there's very little doubt left to give him the benefit of. The facts sure seem to point to two troubling things where Paterno's concerned:

1) He knew about the 1998 incident despite his comments to the contrary

2) It seems as though he was in on the decision not to report the McQueary incident

We didn't know these facts in November

I also gave Pete Rose the benefit of the doubt in betting on baseball until he accepted Bart's lifetime ban. At that point I had the evidence I needed to conclude that he bet on baseball

[Sea Ray]

Originally Posted by Redsfaithful

It's hard to parse what he's saying because the first half of the sentence and the second don't line up.

If I'd defended Paterno through this I'd probably just keep quiet at this point, honestly.

No, Doug gets it. I base my opinion on facts and the facts now sure seem to point to Paterno's "guilt" in all of this. If more facts come to light we need to take those into consideration and that's exactly what happened here

[Sea Ray]

Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor

The University prioritized maintaining the Joe Paterno legacy -- the "legendary" coach that raised money from boosters and brought home prized recruits to play in front of the sold-out stadiums -- over protecting innocent children, following the law, and doing the right thing.

The Big 10+2 should absolutely give them the boot and the NCAA should absolutely give the football program the death penalty.

As far as I'm concerned, every dime that program has taken in since the initial cover-up happened is blood money -- earned by men who were living a lie and allowing others to be irreparably harmed to protect that lie.

There's also the competitive aspect. My guess is PSU will fall below Norhwestern and will become the weak sister in the Big Ten. Does the Big Ten really want another Temple on their schedule?

[cumberlandreds]

There's no defending Paterno and Penn State. It's quite obvious they knew what was going and had conspired to coverup what was happening. I just can't fathom how anyone can protect someone like Sandusky knowing what he had done and was still doing until the day he was arrested. It just boggles the mind.
Penn State University may have trouble staying afloat not to mention the football program. You know they are going to have pay millions in damages to the victims and come under constant scrutiny for any funds the Feds may issue them. I would assume by all these crimes that they may not qualify for at least some Federal funding.
I am also coming to the conclusion that the football program should be shut down for a period of time. At least one year, probably more. It was because the football program had gotten so big and powerful that all this was allowed to occur. No program,whether it's sports or academics, should be so powerful that it alone rules the University.
I thought I had become to old to be shocked ny anything that happens nowdays. But with all the unfolding of the facts to this case I have been just utterly shocked by how callous the powers in charge of Penn State acted. This has to be the biggest sports related scandal in history. There's not much that could top this.

[Sea Ray]

Originally Posted by cumberlandreds

There's no defending Paterno and Penn State. It's quite obvious they knew what was going and had conspired to coverup what was happening. I just can't fathom how anyone can protect someone like Sandusky knowing what he had done and was still doing until the day he was arrested. It just boggles the mind.
Penn State University may have trouble staying afloat not to mention the football program. You know they are going to have pay millions in damages to the victims and come under constant scrutiny for any funds the Feds may issue them. I would assume by all these crimes that they may not qualify for at least some Federal funding.
I am also coming to the conclusion that the football program should be shut down for a period of time. At least one year, probably more. It was because the football program had gotten so big and powerful that all this was allowed to occur. No program,whether it's sports or academics, should be so powerful that it alone rules the University.
I thought I had become to old to be shocked ny anything that happens nowdays. But with all the unfolding of the facts to this case I have been just utterly shocked by how callous the powers in charge of Penn State acted. This has to be the biggest sports related scandal in history. There's not much that could top this.

The only person I saw yesterday that defended him was his son, Jay and that doesn't boggle the mind

[cumberlandreds]

Originally Posted by Sea Ray

The only person I saw yesterday that defended him was his son, Jay and that doesn't boggle the mind

I saw that. The family is the only one defending him and I can understand that. But they just need to keep quiet.
What I meant b y mind boggling is how someone like Paterno and the rest of those in power could keep trying to protect Sandusky knowing what he had done and was continuing to do.

[WMR]

I bet if it was one of his beloved grandkids getting raped by that monster he would have handled things a wee bit differently.

[dougdirt]

Originally Posted by Sea Ray

The only person I saw yesterday that defended him was his son, Jay and that doesn't boggle the mind

You must have missed where Matt Millen was sticking up for him. I won't go as far as saying defending him, but saying that there is more to Joe Paterno than this incident.

[WMR]

Originally Posted by dougdirt

You must have missed where Matt Millen was sticking up for him. I won't go as far as saying defending him, but saying that there is more to Joe Paterno than this incident.

Millen honestly makes me sick with his p ussyfooting around this subject. (P ussyfooting is a word in the dictionary, word filter needs to be adjusted, lol)

If you really want to make yourself feel nauseous, check out the Penn State Rivals or Scout board.