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New Fever · 07-23-2012, 04:58 PM

The Reds Top 10 has undergone so much upheaval that I put four 2012 draftees on our updated version. Seven of the 10 players below are products of the last two drafts. Other players I considered included lefthanders Amir Garrett and Donnie Joseph, righthanders Pedro Diaz and J.C. Sulbaran and second baseman Ryan Wright.

1. Billy Hamilton, ss
May have to move off shortstop but his speed will wreak havoc anywhere.
2. Robert Stephenson, rhp
Has hit upper 90s en route to Pioneer League lead in strikeouts.
3. Tony Cingrani, lhp
Unhittable since moving from bullpen to rotation after signing as 2011 third-rounder.
4. Daniel Corcino, rhp
Continues to draw Johnny Cueto comparisons while having solid Double-A year at age 21.
5. Nick Travieso, rhp
The 14th overall pick in June has a power fastball/slider combination.
6. Didi Gregorius, ss
Overshadowed by Hamilton, he's athletic and has a better chance to stick at short.
7. Kyle Lotzkar, rhp
Finally healthy, he has reworked his delivery and regained his stuff.
8. Jesse Winker, of
Hit .337/.472/.429 in first 29 games after signing as 2012 sandwich pick.
9. Tanner Rahier, 3b
A second-rounder in June, he has a promising bat and plenty of intensity.
10. Jeff Gelalich, of
Broke out this spring at UCLA, went in sandwich round, has all-around tools.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today...2/2613765.html

dougdirt · 07-23-2012, 05:03 PM

It is worth noting that the list above is from Jim Callis, while JJ Cooper does the actual Reds list. Of course Callis does kind of getting the say if he thinks JJ is off on someone with his list.

Kc61 · 07-23-2012, 05:04 PM

Pitching, pitching, pitching.

Great list.

Benihana · 07-23-2012, 05:13 PM

Interesting observations ranked in terms of importance:

1. No Henry Rodriguez, even under those also considered
2. He ranks Stephenson, Cingrani, Corcino. I rank them the inverse. Either way is justifiable, but those three are clearly in a class of their own.
3. Lutz, Y-Rod, Barnhart and LaMarre rank behind others getting consideration including Diaz, Garrett, Sulbaran and Wright.

All things considered, it's hard to argue with his list, other than the curious omission of Henry Rodriguez. As always, BA puts a high premium on recent draftees and (like me) draft pedigree.

Kc61 · 07-23-2012, 05:19 PM

Maybe I'm just forgetful today, but who is Diaz?

dougdirt · 07-23-2012, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Kc61

Maybe I'm just forgetful today, but who is Diaz?

Good armed 19 year old in Arizona right now.

Code:

ERA	IP	H	HR	BB	IBB	SO	BB/9	SO/9	SO/BB
4.22	21.1	23	1	4	0	24	1.7	10.1	6.0

Kc61 · 07-23-2012, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dougdirt

Good armed 19 year old in Arizona right now.

Code:

ERA	IP	H	HR	BB	IBB	SO	BB/9	SO/9	SO/BB
4.22	21.1	23	1	4	0	24	1.7	10.1	6.0

Thank you. Nice K rate.

Benihana · 07-23-2012, 05:27 PM

Funnily enough, not a C or CF in the bunch. Quite odd considering Buckley and the Reds system's history.

dougdirt · 07-23-2012, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Kc61

Thank you. Nice K rate.

I am more impressed by the walk rate.... not often, even at the low levels, do you see that kind of walk rate from a young pitcher, much less one with real stuff.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benihana

Funnily enough, not a C or CF in the bunch. Quite odd considering Buckley and the Reds system's history.

I think Hamilton probably qualifies as a CF in most peoples eyes.

Benihana · 07-23-2012, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dougdirt

I think Hamilton probably qualifies as a CF in most peoples eyes.

Touche

Vottomatic · 07-23-2012, 07:58 PM

It's a small sample, but it is for Winker and Gelalich too. So I'd consider the Brean kid.

mth123 · 07-23-2012, 08:04 PM

4 Guys from the most recent draft. I know it was a good draft, but IMO, that is an indication of a weak system.

jaydeebee21 · 07-23-2012, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mth123

4 Guys from the most recent draft. I know it was a good draft, but IMO, that is an indication of a weak system.

Or a system that has had Mesoraco, Cozart, Frazier, Alonso, Grandal and Boxberger all graduate from the system this year

Vottomatic · 07-23-2012, 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaydeebee21

Or a system that has had Mesoraco, Cozart, Frazier, Alonso, Grandal and Boxberger all graduate from the system this year

A good argument. Look at all the players drafted/signed by the Reds either playing for the Reds or other teams. And it's not like we're talking 10 years ago.

Leake, Bailey, Cueto
Lecure, Ondrusek, Chapman
Votto, Cozart, Frazier, Stubbs, Heisey, Bruce, Hanigan, Mesoraco
Alonso, Grandal, Boxberger, T. Wood

This also accounts to why so many positions are blocked at the major league level too.

fearofpopvol1 · 07-24-2012, 03:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mth123

4 Guys from the most recent draft. I know it was a good draft, but IMO, that is an indication of a weak system.

Agreed. I love this draft. Maybe my favorite one in several years. But it seems a bit premature to rate all of those rookies this high.

07-23-2012, 04:58 PM	#1
New Fever Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Memphis Posts: 756	Baseball America's Updated Reds Top 10 The Reds Top 10 has undergone so much upheaval that I put four 2012 draftees on our updated version. Seven of the 10 players below are products of the last two drafts. Other players I considered included lefthanders Amir Garrett and Donnie Joseph, righthanders Pedro Diaz and J.C. Sulbaran and second baseman Ryan Wright. 1. Billy Hamilton, ss May have to move off shortstop but his speed will wreak havoc anywhere. 2. Robert Stephenson, rhp Has hit upper 90s en route to Pioneer League lead in strikeouts. 3. Tony Cingrani, lhp Unhittable since moving from bullpen to rotation after signing as 2011 third-rounder. 4. Daniel Corcino, rhp Continues to draw Johnny Cueto comparisons while having solid Double-A year at age 21. 5. Nick Travieso, rhp The 14th overall pick in June has a power fastball/slider combination. 6. Didi Gregorius, ss Overshadowed by Hamilton, he's athletic and has a better chance to stick at short. 7. Kyle Lotzkar, rhp Finally healthy, he has reworked his delivery and regained his stuff. 8. Jesse Winker, of Hit .337/.472/.429 in first 29 games after signing as 2012 sandwich pick. 9. Tanner Rahier, 3b A second-rounder in June, he has a promising bat and plenty of intensity. 10. Jeff Gelalich, of Broke out this spring at UCLA, went in sandwich round, has all-around tools. http://www.baseballamerica.com/today...2/2613765.html

07-23-2012, 05:03 PM	#2
dougdirt The Boss Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 31,108	Re: Baseball America's Updated Reds Top 10 It is worth noting that the list above is from Jim Callis, while JJ Cooper does the actual Reds list. Of course Callis does kind of getting the say if he thinks JJ is off on someone with his list. __________________ www.redsminorleagues.com

07-23-2012, 05:04 PM	#3
Kc61 Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 11,046	Re: Baseball America's Updated Reds Top 10 Pitching, pitching, pitching. Great list.

07-23-2012, 05:13 PM	#4
Benihana Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 8,665	Re: Baseball America's Updated Reds Top 10 Interesting observations ranked in terms of importance: 1. No Henry Rodriguez, even under those also considered 2. He ranks Stephenson, Cingrani, Corcino. I rank them the inverse. Either way is justifiable, but those three are clearly in a class of their own. 3. Lutz, Y-Rod, Barnhart and LaMarre rank behind others getting consideration including Diaz, Garrett, Sulbaran and Wright. All things considered, it's hard to argue with his list, other than the curious omission of Henry Rodriguez. As always, BA puts a high premium on recent draftees and (like me) draft pedigree. __________________ Go BLUE!!! Last edited by Benihana; 07-23-2012 at 05:26 PM.

07-23-2012, 05:19 PM	#5
Kc61 Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 11,046	Re: Baseball America's Updated Reds Top 10 Maybe I'm just forgetful today, but who is Diaz?

07-23-2012, 05:27 PM	#8
Benihana Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 8,665	Re: Baseball America's Updated Reds Top 10 Funnily enough, not a C or CF in the bunch. Quite odd considering Buckley and the Reds system's history. __________________ Go BLUE!!!

07-23-2012, 07:58 PM	#11
Vottomatic All work and no play..... Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Lebanon Posts: 6,978	Re: Baseball America's Updated Reds Top 10 It's a small sample, but it is for Winker and Gelalich too. So I'd consider the Brean kid. __________________ "I can't take this homerism anymore." - 10xWSChamps, August 11, 2010. A Cardinals fan having a problem with all the homerism on Redszone. Classic. "Man do I miss the days where were didn't need a calculator and an encyclopedia of baseball metrics to enjoy a baseball game ... - MikeS21" - 8/2/12 game thread

07-23-2012, 08:04 PM	#12
mth123 The Big Dog Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 12,915	Re: Baseball America's Updated Reds Top 10 4 Guys from the most recent draft. I know it was a good draft, but IMO, that is an indication of a weak system. __________________ "All I can tell them is pick a good one and sock it." --BABE RUTH Having better players makes "the right time" or "the big hit" happen a lot more often. PLUS PLUS

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