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08-02-2012, 03:25 PM
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Man do I miss the days where were didn't need a calculator and an encyclopedia of baseball metrics to enjoy a baseball game ...
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08-02-2012, 03:25 PM
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Per Reds.com - Logan O has stranded the last 16 inherited numbers.
Worstest. Reliever. Evah!!
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08-02-2012, 03:25 PM
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9-4 ballgame.
I think Ondrusek is ok. He tends to fade later in the season, maybe he'll do better in late 2012 with less work. Arredondo apparently warming up. |
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08-02-2012, 03:26 PM
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Even if you regress his BABIP to .300, which seems like a reach considering he's maintained his BABIP in three straight seasons, you're still left with an OPS against of league average. So no, he's actually not a replacement level reliever. He's more like an average reliever. And for the record, I like FIP and xFIP, but I think the true measure of a pitcher is in between FIP and OPS. I don't think either extremes are the most accurate measures of a pitcher. I think it's too little to not account for anything in play, but I also think not all of what happens in play was the doing of a pitcher. So I don't think OPS against is perfect, but I don't think FIP is either.
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08-02-2012, 03:27 PM
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2. Marshall 3. Broxton Simon Arredondo (in some order) 6.Lecure Hoover (who I realize is not here) 8. Ondrusek 9. Bray In no way is Ondrusek better than any of the guys I listed above him. He should not be a #5 reliever. |
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For the record, I would have let Ondrusek pitch the 9th here.
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08-02-2012, 03:30 PM
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08-02-2012, 03:33 PM
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