Logan Ondrusek Thread

[GoReds]

I remember when princeton was around. He was a huge advocate in having a hammer closer. Really would have enjoyed his input here.

[fearofpopvol1]

Paging JJ Hoover, paging JJ Hoover.

[Blitz Dorsey]

Ondrusek continues to get worse and worse. A few of my fellow RedsZoners called it months ago. Said he was horrible and his stats were a mirage.

Yep, pretty much. He's been dreadful lately. Amazing that Hoover is not on this team. He's been almost unhittable in Triple-A (and was good in his brief stint with the Reds). Dumb, dumb, dumb.

[Tom Servo]

Unacceptable. One million years dungeon.

[CrackerJack]

Make it stop...please.

[Superdude]

Hoover yesterday please. And get Simon out of the mop up role.

[757690]

I blame the whole posting in the third person jinx.

[George Foster]

Originally Posted by Superdude

Hoover yesterday please. And get Simon out of the mop up role.

Bringing up Hoover and sending down Ondrusek might just send a message to this team, and stress a since of urgency.

[757690]

Ondrusek had a terrible second half last season. He might just not have the stamina to pitch a whole season.

[The Operator]

Why does Dusty keep forcing Ondrusek into high leverage innings? He belongs in AAA anyway but to use him in a high leverage situation is ridiculous.

Square peg, round hole.

[757690]

Originally Posted by Blitz Dorsey

Ondrusek continues to get worse and worse. A few of my fellow RedsZoners called it months ago. Said he was horrible and his stats were a mirage.

Yep, pretty much. He's been dreadful lately. Amazing that Hoover is not on this team. He's been almost unhittable in Triple-A (and was good in his brief stint with the Reds). Dumb, dumb, dumb.

The thing is, the argument was that his BABIP was unsustainable and he would start to give up more hits, and thus more runs. But his BABIP has stayed the same, he's just walking more guys and giving up more home runs. So his critics were correct, but for the wrong reason.

[vic715]

Originally Posted by George Foster

Bringing up Hoover and sending down Ondrusek might just send a message to this team, and stress a since of urgency.

Send Valdez and Cairo along with him.

[camisadelgolf]

Ondrusek is probably going to be eligible for arbitration following the season. Anyone looking forward to the big raise he's going to get?

[Homer Bailey]

Originally Posted by 757690

The thing is, the argument was that his BABIP was unsustainable and he would start to give up more hits, and thus more runs. But his BABIP has stayed the same, he's just walking more guys and giving up more home runs. So his critics were correct, but for the wrong reason.

No. No. No.

The argument was that he doesn't K anyone, and that he walks way too many. Meaning, he really doesn't have any true skills (relatively speaking). He has relied on an extremely lucky BABIP, and a HR/FB rate that was unsustainable. Not all that shocking to see him give up a decisive home run tonight. Only problem is he didn't have Stubbs to bail him out like he did in Houston.

The argument is that he doesn't have true skills. His critics were not correct "for the wrong reason". I'll say the same exact things about Logan than I would if he would have gotten Soriano to ground into a double play. He has zero elite skills. He's a below average reliever. He's below a replacement level reliever.

Logan is so bad, that his luck STILL hasn't truly regressed to the mean on his BABIP, and he's still found a way to blow recent games to the two worst teams in the NL. He's a AAA arm. I don't mean to harp on Logan, I really don't. He is who is he. The manager that keeps putting him in these ridiculous situations is the man to blame. Taking out your 2nd best reliever for your 2nd worst is completely and 100% unacceptable. Don't gimme the lefty vs. righty crap. It's unacceptable. I said it well before this happened that this needed to stop. I was mocked and ridiculed. Now, the blood is on your hands Dusty.

Oh, and I gave up on the game thread we had from last week where you were trying to make the case that Ondrusek could control his BABIP because I was out of town this weekend, but if you could show your work on that one, that would be great.

[WVRedsFan]

Blame Dusty. He has the best bullpen in the business and he continues to put Logan out there. Great God, the man has no judgment. As this point, I have no idea. To understand Baker is to be insane.