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cumberlandreds · 08-20-2012, 02:33 PM

I don't know about this lineup. Seems like we are raising the white flag on this game. No Ludwick or Frazier.

Go getem Leake.

1. Zack Cozart (R) SS
2. Chris Heisey (R) CF
3. Brandon Phillips (R) 2B
4. Jay Bruce (L) RF
5. Scott Rolen (R) 3B
6. Xavier Paul (L) LF
7. Miguel Cairo (R) 1B
8. Devin Mesoraco (R) C
9. Mike Leake (R) P

Homer Bailey · 08-20-2012, 02:39 PM

Cumberland, please post the real lineup when it's ready. I laughed at your joke though!

(*checks twitter*)

Oh.

Tom Servo · 08-20-2012, 02:54 PM

That lineup would look a lot better if it had Lyle Overbay (or a similar player) instead of Miguel Cairo playing 1B.

cumberlandreds · 08-20-2012, 02:59 PM

The Phightin' Phils lineup:

1. Jimmy Rollins (S) SS
2. Juan Pierre (L) LF
3. Chase Utley (L) 2B
4. Ryan Howard (L) 1B
5. John Mayberry (R) CF
6. Domonic Brown (L) RF
7. Placido Polanco (R) 3B
8. Erik Kratz (R) C
9. Roy Halladay (R) P

traderumor · 08-20-2012, 03:01 PM

I think just trying to not wear out key guys. I did see that Ludwick is 0 for 9 vs. Halladay, so there's one excuse

westofyou · 08-20-2012, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Servo

That lineup would look a lot better if it had Lyle Overbay (or a similar player) instead of Miguel Cairo playing 1B.

Lyle Overbay the Mike Hargrove of this generation.

Kc61 · 08-20-2012, 03:34 PM

Guessing Dusty doesn't want Frazier, a rookie, to have to cope with Halladay. Rather he's giving Todd a needed rest. Cairo hit well this weekend he'd rather give the veteran a chance against Halladay.

(Cozart, also a rookie, rested one game this weekend, he's in for defense with Leake pitching.)

Not agreeing, just guessing Dusty's thought process on Frazier.

Similarly, I think Dusty is resting Stubbs as unlikely to hit Halladay. As for Ludwick, Dusty rests him often and XMan gets a shot as a reward for the big hit yesterday.

As far as I can try to read the manager's mind. . . .

klw · 08-20-2012, 04:23 PM

From Sheldon

http://marksheldon.mlblogs.com/

Quote:

*Miguel Cairo is 5-for-15 lifetime vs. Halladay, Xavier Paul is 2-for-5 and Chris Heisey is 0-for-1, while Drew Stubbs is 3-for-12 and Todd Frazier is 0-for-1. I’m sure the matchups play a part in the manager’s decisions to feature the lineup.

Should be a nice strong bench tonight.

mbgrayson · 08-20-2012, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kc61

Guessing Dusty doesn't want Frazier, a rookie, to have to cope with Halladay. Rather he's giving Todd a needed rest. Cairo hit well this weekend he'd rather give the veteran a chance against Halladay.

(Cozart, also a rookie, rested one game this weekend, he's in for defense with Leake pitching.)

Not agreeing, just guessing Dusty's thought process on Frazier.

Similarly, I think Dusty is resting Stubbs as unlikely to hit Halladay. As for Ludwick, Dusty rests him often and XMan gets a shot as a reward for the big hit yesterday.

As far as I can try to read the manager's mind. . . .

I certainly think Dusty has factored in the need for rest with playing pitcher/hitter percentages.

But to me, it just comes down to the Zen of Dusty. And with the Reds record in 2012, I will defer any lineup criticism at this point.

REDREAD · 08-20-2012, 04:31 PM

oh well, at least Rolen is playing.. I thought he'd get the day off today.

The nice thing about getting Votto back is that Frasier can go back to starting on a lot of these "rest days", as opposed to Cairo/Paul/Heisey.

Not complaining about the lineup.. a little disappointed, but I accept it

Tom Servo · 08-20-2012, 07:02 PM

Tough weak for Scotty. First off to Philadelphia, than gets to play his other old team the Cardinals again. At least he doesn't have to go back to Toronto.

Matt700wlw · 08-20-2012, 07:03 PM

The Phillies may be having a bad year, but being able to run Halladay, Hamels, and Lee out there is still as legit as it gets.

Kc61 · 08-20-2012, 07:08 PM

Cozart singles, no-hitter off the table.

Matt700wlw · 08-20-2012, 07:08 PM

Good start

Kc61 · 08-20-2012, 07:11 PM

Heisey singles to left.

Great matchup for Heisey, Halladay always near the plate, Heisey always swinging.

08-20-2012, 02:33 PM	#1
cumberlandreds Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Sterling VA Posts: 7,850	8/20/2012 Reds at Phillies I don't know about this lineup. Seems like we are raising the white flag on this game. No Ludwick or Frazier. Go getem Leake. 1. Zack Cozart (R) SS 2. Chris Heisey (R) CF 3. Brandon Phillips (R) 2B 4. Jay Bruce (L) RF 5. Scott Rolen (R) 3B 6. Xavier Paul (L) LF 7. Miguel Cairo (R) 1B 8. Devin Mesoraco (R) C 9. Mike Leake (R) P __________________ Reds Fan Since 1971

08-20-2012, 02:39 PM	#2
Homer Bailey I'm back... and forth Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,612	Re: 8/20/2012 Reds at Phillies Cumberland, please post the real lineup when it's ready. I laughed at your joke though! (checks twitter) Oh.

08-20-2012, 02:54 PM	#3
Tom Servo thirsty and miserable Join Date: May 2006 Location: NJ/NY Posts: 5,413	Re: 8/20/2012 Reds at Phillies That lineup would look a lot better if it had Lyle Overbay (or a similar player) instead of Miguel Cairo playing 1B. __________________ "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

08-20-2012, 02:59 PM	#4
cumberlandreds Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Sterling VA Posts: 7,850	Re: 8/20/2012 Reds at Phillies The Phightin' Phils lineup: 1. Jimmy Rollins (S) SS 2. Juan Pierre (L) LF 3. Chase Utley (L) 2B 4. Ryan Howard (L) 1B 5. John Mayberry (R) CF 6. Domonic Brown (L) RF 7. Placido Polanco (R) 3B 8. Erik Kratz (R) C 9. Roy Halladay (R) P __________________ Reds Fan Since 1971

08-20-2012, 03:01 PM	#5
traderumor Unsolicited Opinions Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Right Down Broadway Posts: 17,653	Re: 8/20/2012 Reds at Phillies I think just trying to not wear out key guys. I did see that Ludwick is 0 for 9 vs. Halladay, so there's one excuse __________________ Can't win with 'em Can't win without 'em

08-20-2012, 03:34 PM	#7
Kc61 Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 10,838	Re: 8/20/2012 Reds at Phillies Guessing Dusty doesn't want Frazier, a rookie, to have to cope with Halladay. Rather he's giving Todd a needed rest. Cairo hit well this weekend he'd rather give the veteran a chance against Halladay. (Cozart, also a rookie, rested one game this weekend, he's in for defense with Leake pitching.) Not agreeing, just guessing Dusty's thought process on Frazier. Similarly, I think Dusty is resting Stubbs as unlikely to hit Halladay. As for Ludwick, Dusty rests him often and XMan gets a shot as a reward for the big hit yesterday. As far as I can try to read the manager's mind. . . .

08-20-2012, 04:31 PM	#10
REDREAD Where's my chair? Join Date: Apr 2000 Posts: 19,802	Re: 8/20/2012 Reds at Phillies oh well, at least Rolen is playing.. I thought he'd get the day off today. The nice thing about getting Votto back is that Frasier can go back to starting on a lot of these "rest days", as opposed to Cairo/Paul/Heisey. Not complaining about the lineup.. a little disappointed, but I accept it __________________ Thank you Walt and Bob for going for it in 2012 AND 2013! Nov. 13, 2007: One of the greatest days in Reds history: John Allen gets the boot!

08-20-2012, 07:02 PM	#11
Tom Servo thirsty and miserable Join Date: May 2006 Location: NJ/NY Posts: 5,413	Re: 8/20/2012 Reds at Phillies Tough weak for Scotty. First off to Philadelphia, than gets to play his other old team the Cardinals again. At least he doesn't have to go back to Toronto. __________________ "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

08-20-2012, 07:03 PM	#12
Matt700wlw Making sense of it all Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 26,131	Re: 8/20/2012 Reds at Phillies The Phillies may be having a bad year, but being able to run Halladay, Hamels, and Lee out there is still as legit as it gets. __________________ An excited shade of Red

08-20-2012, 07:08 PM	#13
Kc61 Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 10,838	Re: 8/20/2012 Reds at Phillies Cozart singles, no-hitter off the table.

08-20-2012, 07:08 PM	#14
Matt700wlw Making sense of it all Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 26,131	Re: 8/20/2012 Reds at Phillies Good start __________________ An excited shade of Red

08-20-2012, 07:11 PM	#15
Kc61 Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 10,838	Re: 8/20/2012 Reds at Phillies Heisey singles to left. Great matchup for Heisey, Halladay always near the plate, Heisey always swinging.

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