Rays might put David Price on the block this winter?

[Dan]

MLBTR:

Could the Rays trade David Price to the Rangers for a package of players built around Elvis Andrus and Martin Perez this winter? Rosenthal speculates about the possibility, but there’s no indication the sides are discussing a deal.

What would it take for the Reds to land him? Hamilton and Bailey to start?

[Homer Bailey]

This doesn't even qualify as a rumor.

[dougdirt]

Originally Posted by Dan

MLBTR:



What would it take for the Reds to land him? Hamilton and Bailey to start?

My first thought was why would they be interested in Martin Perez as a 'center piece' with his 4.1 walks/9ip and 4.9 strikeouts/9ip in AAA this year? He has a good arm and he is pretty young, but those aren't exactly the results you want to see from someone who is one of the main parts to a trade for a legit ace.

My guess is that it would take a Major League starter (position or pitcher) and several top prospects.

[Dan]

Originally Posted by Homer Bailey

This doesn't even qualify as a rumor.

A boy can dream, can't he?

Imagine a rotation next year of

Cueto
Latos
Price
Chapman
Arroyo

Sick

[Wonderful Monds]

It'd be cool to get him, but I don't think we necessarily need him. If we could get him without trading Billy Hamilton, I'd be interested, but we likely couldn't. I also wouldn't trade Mesoraco or Frazier for him. Not sure the Rays are a fit anymore.

[Benihana]

Originally Posted by Dan

MLBTR:



What would it take for the Reds to land him? Hamilton and Bailey to start?

With Upton likely leaving via FA, I believe they'll need a CF in addition to a SS. So how about giving them their choice of:

Stubbs/Heisey
Bailey/Leake
Cozart/DiDi

and whatever prospect they want not named Hamilton or Stephenson for David Price.

[Benihana]

Originally Posted by Wonderful Monds

It'd be cool to get him, but I don't think we necessarily need him. If we could get him without trading Billy Hamilton, I'd be interested, but we likely couldn't. I also wouldn't trade Mesoraco or Frazier for him. Not sure the Rays are a fit anymore.

Agree with this, although I'd have to at least consider a deal for Frazier or Mez.

[camisadelgolf]

The Reds flat-out can't afford David Price. Next year's team will cost $80-90M, and provided they stay together, every team after that will cost a little bit more. And if you thought it decimated the farm to obtain Latos, just imagine how much Price would cost. Plus I think the competition for Price would be much higher, which could drive the price up even more.

Here's next year's team and salaries:
17.00 Joey Votto
10.00 Brandon Phillips
8.00 Bronson Arroyo
7.50 Jay Bruce
7.40 Johnny Cueto
4.50 Sean Marshall
3.10 Nick Masset
2.05 Ryan Hanigan
2.00 Aroldis Chapman
1.20 Jose Arredondo
0.50 Zack Cozart
0.50 Todd Frazier
0.50 Sam LeCure
0.50 Devin Mesoraco
0.50 Xavier Paul
65.25

arb Homer Bailey
arb Bill Bray
arb Chris Heisey
arb Mat Latos
arb Mike Leake
arb Logan Ondrusek
arb Alfredo Simon
arb Drew Stubbs
arb Wilson Valdez

Bill Bray non-tendered
call up Henry Rodriguez (or sign a cheap veteran version of him)
re-sign Ryan Ludwick

[Wonderful Monds]

Originally Posted by Benihana

Agree with this, although I'd have to at least consider a deal for Frazier or Mez.

Not me. Those guys will be starting players for us for years to come that we don't have replacements for, IMO.

[REDREAD]

Originally Posted by camisadelgolf

The Reds flat-out can't afford David Price.

No disrespect, but the Reds might be able to afford him.. it kind of depends.
He made 4.35 million this year, and is eligible for arbitration. I think it's his first year of arb.. I guess it's a crapshoot what his salary will be, but if the Reds got him, they could trade Homer for some salary relief.

Going deep into the playoffs makes a team a lot of money.

That said, I kind of think it's a pipe dream to get Price.

Just one of Leake/Homer obviously is not going to get it done.
I'm also reluctant to trade Mez, Frasier or Cozart.
Maybe I'm nuts, but I would be hesitant to trade Stubbs as well (I really did not enjoy all those years of running out replacement level CFers)
I don't want to trade Billy Hamilton either.
Doesn't leave much to send to Tampa, does it?

I imagine some big spending team is going to empty out their farm for Price if he's available.

[camisadelgolf]

Originally Posted by REDREAD

No disrespect, but the Reds might be able to afford him.. it kind of depends.
He made 4.35 million this year, and is eligible for arbitration. I think it's his first year of arb.. I guess it's a crapshoot what his salary will be, but if the Reds got him, they could trade Homer for some salary relief.

Going deep into the playoffs makes a team a lot of money.

That said, I kind of think it's a pipe dream to get Price.

Just one of Leake/Homer obviously is not going to get it done.
I'm also reluctant to trade Mez, Frasier or Cozart.
Maybe I'm nuts, but I would be hesitant to trade Stubbs as well (I really did not enjoy all those years of running out replacement level CFers)
I don't want to trade Billy Hamilton either.
Doesn't leave much to send to Tampa, does it?

I imagine some big spending team is going to empty out their farm for Price if he's available.

Why would the Rays trade David Price if they're getting very little salary relief? And Price will be eligible for his 2nd year of arbitration, and I'd be shocked if he didn't get at least $5MM next year.

[REDREAD]

Originally Posted by camisadelgolf

Why would the Rays trade David Price if they're getting very little salary relief? And Price will be eligible for his 2nd year of arbitration, and I'd be shocked if he didn't get at least $5MM next year.

Solid points.. I do think the trade is a pipe dream, because another team will ante up more prospects/rookies than the Reds will.

I guess I was just speaking hypothetically.. Maybe Homer doesn't go to the Rays, but he could easily be traded to another club for prospects.

If for some reason, the Reds were able to put together a package of prospects for Price, they could probably fit him into the budget, at least for 2-3 years. That was the only point I was trying to make.
Sure, the core team is getting more expensive, but after 2013, Masset and Arroyo are likely gone..

[Brutus]

Why trade for David Price when you have an impact starter already waiting in the wings?

[dougdirt]

Originally Posted by Brutus

Why trade for David Price when you have an impact starter already waiting in the wings?

Well, because David Price is essentially what you hope that guy waiting in the wings can be one day, but he won't be that in 2013. He won't be that in 2014. Chapman isn't going to be able to have a full seasons work load of innings for several years if the Reds treat him like everyone else and gradually ramp him up.

[Benihana]

Originally Posted by camisadelgolf

The Reds flat-out can't afford David Price. Next year's team will cost $80-90M, and provided they stay together, every team after that will cost a little bit more. And if you thought it decimated the farm to obtain Latos, just imagine how much Price would cost. Plus I think the competition for Price would be much higher, which could drive the price up even more.

The Reds couldn't afford Joey Votto.
After Votto, the Reds couldn't afford Brandon Phillips.
Sorry, but I don't think anyone is equipped to make that statement- at least not for a guy who will likely make less than $10MM for the next two years.

They might not be able to "afford" the prospects that it may cost to get him (ie Hamilton and/or Stephenson), but I don't think anyone can say definitively that the Reds "flat-out can't afford" anyone on a payroll basis, especially a guy who is currently making $4MM.