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08-23-2012, 05:56 PM
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Stat Wanker Hodiernus
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Mike Trout is Insanely Good
Mike Trout is currently hitting .343/.407/.603.
That's obviously great, but not all that uncommon. In the history of baseball, there have been 224 player seasons in which a player hit at least .300/.400/.600 while qualifying for the batting title, if we include Trout. But how many of those guys played CF? Just 28 of those seasons were put up by guys who played 50% of their games in CF. Those 28 seasons were put up by just 14 players. Trout Edmonds Giles Griffey Lynn Mantle Snider Mays DiMaggio Averill Wilson Simmons Speaker Cobb Wow, what a list. But, oh yeah, Trout is also leading the league in SB with 39. Including Trout, in just 4 of those seasons did the guy steal at least 20 bases and 40 just twice -- Trout will soon make it 3. Those seasons were Willie Mays in 1957 at age 26 and Ty Cobb in 1911 at age 24. Mike Trout is 20. I'm not saying this is one of the greatest seasons ever (though I certainly could), but at minimum this is one of the most well-rounded seasons in the history of baseball. And it's being done by a 20 year old rookie. I know Trout is getting hype. But however much he's getting, it's not enough.
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Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance. Last edited by RedsManRick; 08-23-2012 at 06:20 PM. |
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08-23-2012, 05:59 PM
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Re: Mike Trout is Insanely Good
I don't think you need to hedge it. He is having one of the greatest seasons ever.
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08-23-2012, 06:08 PM
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Re: Mike Trout is Insanely Good
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08-23-2012, 06:09 PM
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Re: Mike Trout is Insanely Good
Don't forget about the very good defense too (and some of the awesome catches he's made).
Despite what some have claimed, I don't see Harper ever being as good as Trout. |
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08-23-2012, 06:16 PM
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Re: Mike Trout is Insanely Good
Is this the surest a rookie has looked like a HOF candidate, provided he doesn't get injured or abducted by aliens or something?
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08-23-2012, 06:25 PM
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08-23-2012, 06:28 PM
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08-23-2012, 06:30 PM
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08-23-2012, 06:31 PM
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Stat Wanker Hodiernus
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Of course, he missed the first month of the season. If you standardized performances to WAR per 600 plate appearances, here's your top 10. Code:
Rk Player Age Year Tm rWAR/600 1 Babe Ruth 28 1923 NYY 11.8 2 Barry Bonds 37 2002 SFG 11.4 3 Babe Ruth 25 1920 NYY 11.3 4 Rogers Hornsby 28 1924 STL 11.2 5 Mike Trout 20 2012 LAA 11.1 6 Babe Ruth 26 1921 NYY 10.9 7 George Brett 27 1980 KCR 10.8 8 Babe Ruth 24 1919 BOS 10.7 9 Mickey Mantle 25 1957 NYY 10.7 10 Carl Yastrzemski 27 1967 BOS 10.6 Trout is probably having a a "lucky" year -- e.g. putting up results that are higher than his "true talent". But the same can be said of everybody on that list. If there's a guy who looked like a HOFer, it's him.
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Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance. Last edited by RedsManRick; 08-23-2012 at 06:37 PM. |
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08-23-2012, 06:40 PM
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Junior. Don't get me wrong, Junior's 1989 season was no where near Trout's season this year, but the kid did generate a lot of excitement upon his arrival. His lineage did help. |
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08-23-2012, 08:19 PM
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Re: Mike Trout is Insanely Good
I am not even sure this is the best age 20 season in baseball history, or even my lifetime. Different environment of course, but Arod did hit .358/.414/.631 with a league leading 141 runs scored, 123 RBI, 54 doubles, a triple and 36 home runs while playing shortstop.
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Also, gotta question if A-Rod ever did any of it clean.
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08-23-2012, 08:32 PM
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08-23-2012, 08:33 PM
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Stat Wanker Hodiernus
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Re: Mike Trout is Insanely Good
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From an overall "runs produced" standpoint, ARod likely had the better season. But if you care about production above replacement, it wasn't.
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Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance. Last edited by RedsManRick; 08-23-2012 at 08:36 PM. |
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