Breaking Bad Season 4 Premiere Sun 10pm AMC (Spoilers!)

[757690]

Like Jesse, I'm out.

Still some great scenes and great acting, but just too outlandish of a plot with too many plot holes.

It was explained to me after previous episodes that the plot holes were due to Walt's insanity. So when did Mike go insane? No way that a guy who vets a crew for a living would hire such an incompetent boob as a lawyer, a lawyer who would flip on him and everyone the second he's caught. Plus no way Mike would call Saul to help him get his escape bag, or let Walt be the one that gets it for him. Mike just ain't that sloppy. and there's too many more to mention.

I said before that it was slowly becoming a Telemundo Telenovela... Well it's full on novela now. I'll keep TiVo'ing it just in case, but I just don't care what happens to the characters anymore, and have no desire to watch it.

[Brutus]

Originally Posted by sonny

Here's how I see the series end. I think the downward spiral continues until Walt has lost everything, including his empire. In his desperation, he makes some mistakes blowing his cover and eventually a shoot out with the DEA. After being shot and laying there dying, we get a quick zoom into Walt's eyes and then we are suddenly transported back to Walt sitting in the doctors office receiving the news that he has cancer. The whole series is a quick thought of Walt in light of his received tragic news.

It's likely not going to happen, but that'd be neat.

The "it was just a dream" angle has been used on shows before, and it usually winds up alienating the viewers. I personally hate the idea and will be upset if that's the route it goes.

[Redsfaithful]

I agree that Walt bringing the escape bag is a problem. I guess you can either buy that he wouldn't want to risk Jesse and thought Saul might be watched or not, but it is unlikely.

Worse I thought was Mike not taking Walt's keys with him when he tied him to the radiator.

That being said, finishing shows is always rough. The Wire's fifth season was its worst. There's only 9 episodes left so I'll certainly stick around to see how it ends, and I'm still enjoying the show despite the flaws.

[Brutus]

Originally Posted by 757690

Like Jesse, I'm out.

Still some great scenes and great acting, but just too outlandish of a plot with too many plot holes.

It was explained to me after previous episodes that the plot holes were due to Walt's insanity. So when did Mike go insane? No way that a guy who vets a crew for a living would hire such an incompetent boob as a lawyer, a lawyer who would flip on him and everyone the second he's caught. Plus no way Mike would call Saul to help him get his escape bag, or let Walt be the one that gets it for him. Mike just ain't that sloppy. and there's too many more to mention.

I said before that it was slowly becoming a Telemundo Telenovela... Well it's full on novela now. I'll keep TiVo'ing it just in case, but I just don't care what happens to the characters anymore, and have no desire to watch it.

I'm not sure why you find this so outlandish. First off, Mike does background checks on everyone. What would come up in a background check that would let Mike know a lawyer would flip on someone? Even the best background checks wouldn't catch everyone, nor would anyone be perfect at reading someone. If anything, given almost all criminals are eventually caught, it's more outlandish to think even someone like Mike wouldn't eventually slip up. Mike's pride was bound to haunt him at some point, as he often was practically bragging that his guys would never flip as he was sure of their selections. Criminals that start feeling like they're too good to mess up often do mess up. Mike's over-confidence was bound to catch up with him if you're looking at it from a practical standpoint.

As far as Mike calling Saul to help him get his escape bag, why not? Mike even said on the phone he couldn't get near the airport because they were watching for him. He needed to have someone pick it up that wasn't being tailed. He let Walt do it because Walt clearly had an investment in Mike's security.

I really don't see how you think this is so outlandish. If anything, the writing of this show has been very realistic and it's been a very controlled, methodical development.

[757690]

Originally Posted by Brutus

I'm not sure why you find this so outlandish. First off, Mike does background checks on everyone. What would come up in a background check that would let Mike know a lawyer would flip on someone? Even the best background checks wouldn't catch everyone, nor would anyone be perfect at reading someone. If anything, given almost all criminals are eventually caught, it's more outlandish to think even someone like Mike wouldn't eventually slip up. Mike's pride was bound to haunt him at some point, as he often was practically bragging that his guys would never flip as he was sure of their selections. Criminals that start feeling like they're too good to mess up often do mess up. Mike's over-confidence was bound to catch up with him if you're looking at it from a practical standpoint.

As far as Mike calling Saul to help him get his escape bag, why not? Mike even said on the phone he couldn't get near the airport because they were watching for him. He needed to have someone pick it up that wasn't being tailed. He let Walt do it because Walt clearly had an investment in Mike's security.

I really don't see how you think this is so outlandish. If anything, the writing of this show has been very realistic and it's been a very controlled, methodical development.

If Mike could buy the silence of nine criminals, he could buy the silence of one lawyer. And i'm sure there are more people in Mike's Rolodex than Saul, Walt and Jesse, lol.

[Brutus]

Originally Posted by 757690

If Mike could buy the silence of nine criminals, he could buy the silence of one lawyer. And i'm sure there are more people in Mike's Rolodex than Saul, Walt and Jesse, lol.

Perhaps he didn't think, because of legal implications, he would be burned by an attorney (after all, one of the reasons he was using his attorney is because of an expectation of attorney-client privilege). Besides, the attorney was already on his payroll... wouldn't that have automatically been assumed that his silence was understood since he was being paid to represent Mike?

As far as his Rolodex, maybe he felt most of his guys were compromised? Even if one accepts that Mike knows other people, it doesn't invalidate his rationale to call Saul (no pun intended).

You're really overthinking this. And it seems to me that you're making assumptions that the show has not really established to be able to make.

Just because he didn't call who you think he should call, i.e. some non-existent character, doesn't make his choice outlandish.

[WildcatFan]

Originally Posted by 757690

It was explained to me after previous episodes that the plot holes were due to Walt's insanity. So when did Mike go insane? No way that a guy who vets a crew for a living would hire such an incompetent boob as a lawyer, a lawyer who would flip on him and everyone the second he's caught. Plus no way Mike would call Saul to help him get his escape bag, or let Walt be the one that gets it for him. Mike just ain't that sloppy. and there's too many more to mention.

This is how Jonathan Banks, who played Mike, explains the end of his character. Came from an interview with Vulture.com.

http://www.vulture.com/2012/08/break...witter_vulture

It’s easy to wrap a nice bow on it and say, “He worked with bad men who knew they were bad men.” Just before I go to kill Lydia, I go to kill one of my own guys. He tries to explain to me why he did it, he had to do it, the pressure that was on him. And Mike’s response was, “I know. I understand.” Then he shoots him. I think that’s the world that Mike lived in. And I think every time he pulled the trigger, he went deeper into his own hell and lost another piece of himself. I can justify why Mike had his guard down at the end: There had been too many killings.

It's always interesting to me to hear how actors work their motivations into the story, and we may never see it.

[Razor Shines]

I read an interview where Banks said viewers should have been screaming "No half measures, Mike!!" during this season.

[19braves77]

Originally Posted by 757690

Like Jesse, I'm out.

Still some great scenes and great acting, but just too outlandish of a plot with too many plot holes.

It was explained to me after previous episodes that the plot holes were due to Walt's insanity. So when did Mike go insane? No way that a guy who vets a crew for a living would hire such an incompetent boob as a lawyer, a lawyer who would flip on him and everyone the second he's caught. Plus no way Mike would call Saul to help him get his escape bag, or let Walt be the one that gets it for him. Mike just ain't that sloppy. and there's too many more to mention.

I said before that it was slowly becoming a Telemundo Telenovela... Well it's full on novela now. I'll keep TiVo'ing it just in case, but I just don't care what happens to the characters anymore, and have no desire to watch it.

Seriously with your way of thinking you should have stopped with Gus's face was blown off and he walked 15 years to adjust his tie before dropping dead.

Just in enjoy what Vince gives us each week: A very uncomfortable journey but clear and yet complex treatment of morality.

[757690]

Originally Posted by 19braves77

Seriously with your way of thinking you should have stopped with Gus's face was blown off and he walked 15 years to adjust his tie before dropping dead.

Just in enjoy what Vince gives us each week: A very uncomfortable journey but clear and yet complex treatment of morality.

I actually had problems with the believability of the show way before that. I kept watching because there are so many other great elements to it. It's just too much for me now. Like I said, I just don't care how it ends up or what happens to the characters anymore. But I usually feel that way after the third season of every drama, so lasting this long is a testimant to how good the show has been.

[MWM]

Originally Posted by Redsfaithful

The Wire's fifth season was its worst.

There were only 4 seasons of The Wire. There was no 5th season. There were only 2 Godfathers as well.

[WildcatFan]

Originally Posted by MWM

There were only 4 seasons of The Wire. There was no 5th season. There were only 2 Godfathers as well.

I always wished they would make more Star Wars movies after Return of the Jedi, but I guess it'll never happen.

[bigredmechanism]

Originally Posted by MWM

There were only 4 seasons of The Wire. There was no 5th season. There were only 2 Godfathers as well.

It was weird how they just skipped Season 2 as well.

[Redsfaithful]

Originally Posted by bigredmechanism

It was weird how they just skipped Season 2 as well.

Season 5 could have been skipped, I think Simon was too close to the newspaper industry, too much inside baseball. And the McNulty story thread was silly.

Season 2 wasn't my favorite but it was vital to the overall thesis.

[Homer Bailey]

I've never understood the criticism of season 2. It's different, but I thought it was awesome.