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Old 09-04-2012, 03:00 PM   #1
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9/4/2012 Phils at Reds

Stubbs leading off and Valdez 2nd. Ooh boy.............


1. Drew Stubbs (R) CF
2. Wilson Valdez (R) SS
3. Brandon Phillips (R) 2B
4. Ryan Ludwick (R) LF
5. Jay Bruce (L) RF
6. Todd Frazier (R) 1B
7. Scott Rolen (R) 3B
8. Ryan Hanigan (R) C
9. Mat Latos (R) P
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Old 09-04-2012, 03:06 PM   #2
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Stubbs leading off and Valdez 2nd. Ooh boy.............


1. Drew Stubbs (R) CF
2. Wilson Valdez (R) SS
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Old 09-04-2012, 03:16 PM   #3
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Honestly what does Valdez offer that Gregorious could not have done for even one start?
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Old 09-04-2012, 03:22 PM   #4
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Old 09-04-2012, 03:44 PM   #5
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Heisey must have expressed a severe distaste for merlots and Bob Marley.
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Old 09-04-2012, 03:54 PM   #6
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Old 09-04-2012, 03:56 PM   #7
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Old 09-04-2012, 05:14 PM   #8
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Nothing like putting 2 sure outs at the top of the order, day in and day out. Looking forward to tomorrow with Votto in the lineup to see if BP is batting leadoff and to see who is batting #2. In my opinion, no chance at an extended playoff run with Stubbs and Valdez/Cozart batting in the top two spots.
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Old 09-04-2012, 05:49 PM   #9
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Nothing like putting 2 sure outs at the top of the order, day in and day out. Looking forward to tomorrow with Votto in the lineup to see if BP is batting leadoff and to see who is batting #2. In my opinion, no chance at an extended playoff run with Stubbs and Valdez/Cozart batting in the top two spots.
Firstly, Baker has already said that Philips would bat leadoff when Votto was back.

Secondly, the Reds are 4th in runs scored since the all star break with those two batting 1-2 and no Votto in the line up.

Thirdly, an extended playoff run, in baseball, is as much a matter of luck than anything else. Look at the world series winners the last 15 years or so. If a lineup is good enough to get you to the playoffs, it's good enough to win you the world series.

We'd all like to see high on base guys batting 1-2. But it's not obvious who those would be on this team.
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Old 09-04-2012, 07:01 PM   #10
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Old 09-04-2012, 07:11 PM   #11
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Nothing like putting 2 sure outs at the top of the order, day in and day out. Looking forward to tomorrow with Votto in the lineup to see if BP is batting leadoff and to see who is batting #2. In my opinion, no chance at an extended playoff run with Stubbs and Valdez/Cozart batting in the top two spots.
I agree on Stubbs, his season like last has disintegrated on offense and he's a liability in the batting order, really wherever he bats.

I don't agree on Cozart being a "sure out." It's probably just Redszone hyperbole, but maybe we shouldn't be lumping these two guys together so much.

Cozart has 32 doubles this year, to lead all MLB shortstops. He also has 15 homers and a slugging percentage over .400. Now, yes, his OBP is subpar and perhaps he's not ideal leading off, but he's been productive on offense for a SS.

I think Phillips leading off and Cozart hitting second would be a reasonable one two punch. I'd prefer a lefty OBP man, but with the current group, this would be acceptable to me.
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Rollins flies out to center.
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Old 09-04-2012, 07:15 PM   #13
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Old 09-04-2012, 07:16 PM   #14
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Utley grounds out to 2nd. 0-0 mid 1st.
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Old 09-04-2012, 07:16 PM   #15
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I think Phillips leading off and Cozart hitting second would be a reasonable one two punch. I'd prefer a lefty OBP man, but with the current group, this would be acceptable to me.
I'd like to see, given the current roster, Phillips 1, Rolen/Frazier 2.

Good inning from Latos.
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