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Re: 9.5.12 Phillies @ Reds (the Start of the Didi Gregorius era and the Return of Vot
So Leake came into today with an xFIP of 3.66.
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09-05-2012, 01:18 PM
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Re: 9.5.12 Phillies @ Reds (the Start of the Didi Gregorius era and the Return of Vot
I think its safe to say that the Phillies "see the ball" well with Leake on the mound. They're hitting him so hard, makes me wonder if they don't know what's coming, considering they are offensively challenged, even with the big boys back. That or its just flukey bad matchup, like Arroyo and the Blue Jays. Regardless, they should consider skipping him if his turn comes up against this crew in the future.
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09-05-2012, 01:19 PM
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09-05-2012, 01:23 PM
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Re: 9.5.12 Phillies @ Reds (the Start of the Didi Gregorius era and the Return of Vot
The Reds will only need four starters on the postseason roster. No matter the series (LDS, LCS, WS), a four man rotation will guarantee at least four days' rest for all starters.
So the question for Leake becomes: is he one of the four best starters on this team? If that answer is no, then I honestly don't see a spot for him on a postseason roster. Leake's only value would be during a long extra inning game where he could go extended innings and actually be able to hit for himself. I don't think those types of games happen often enough to justify a roster spot for him.
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09-05-2012, 01:24 PM
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Re: 9.5.12 Phillies @ Reds (the Start of the Didi Gregorius era and the Return of Vot
It just figures that even when they're hit by injuries and all the Phillies still find guys off the scrap heap like Frandsen and Kratz and they look like all-stars.
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09-05-2012, 01:30 PM
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Re: 9.5.12 Phillies @ Reds (the Start of the Didi Gregorius era and the Return of Vot
At least Joey ensured in the first inning that we wouldn't get no-hit by Halladay again.
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09-05-2012, 01:30 PM
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Re: 9.5.12 Phillies @ Reds (the Start of the Didi Gregorius era and the Return of Vot
Well, maybe the Mets can salvage something good out of today and beat StL......please?!?
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09-05-2012, 01:32 PM
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Re: 9.5.12 Phillies @ Reds (the Start of the Didi Gregorius era and the Return of Vot
This should be a rocking chair game for Halladay at this point.
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09-05-2012, 01:32 PM
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09-05-2012, 01:33 PM
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Without bashing the metric (and I wouldn't be the one to do so), the only explanation is bad luck. |
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09-05-2012, 01:34 PM
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Leake's actual ERA is much higher than his xFIP mostly because he has a HR/FB rate of over 16%. I believe league average is around 10%. Leake is sporting a career percentage of 14.4%, some of which can be attributed to GABP, but certainly not all of it. Seems that when guys lift balls against Leake, they lift them pretty darn good. |
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09-05-2012, 01:39 PM
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It's hard enough to understand that a particular batter "just sees Leake's pitches well", but to extend that to a whole team seems improbable. |
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09-05-2012, 01:41 PM
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Re: 9.5.12 Phillies @ Reds (the Start of the Didi Gregorius era and the Return of Vot
Gregorious robs Pierre after being robbed by Pierre.
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09-05-2012, 01:42 PM
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Re: 9.5.12 Phillies @ Reds (the Start of the Didi Gregorius era and the Return of Vot
Leake needs to turn a corner at some point, but he's got age and talent on his side. If he can start throwing what's not expected, like Cueto and Arroyo, I think he'll be fine.
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