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Tom Servo · 09-07-2012, 07:59 PM

BP and Hi-C both K looking.

Tadasimha · 09-07-2012, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Servo

BP and Hi-C both K looking.

Got to start swinging at those borderline pitches.

Kc61 · 09-07-2012, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Brutus

He's got a 1.85:1 GB:FB ratio. That's 15th in the entire Major Leagues. I'd say that's absolutely the hallmark of a groundball pitcher.

The homers are because of a 17% HR/FB rate, not because of giving up more fly balls. Only two pitchers in the majors have given up a higher rate of homers to fly balls allowed.

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...ers=0&sort=8,d

A groundball pitcher needs a good ratio AND needs to keep the ball in the stadium.

Tadasimha · 09-07-2012, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Kc61

A groundball pitcher needs a good ratio AND needs to keep the ball in the stadium.

Every pitcher needs to keep the ball in the stadium

Tom Servo · 09-07-2012, 08:02 PM

Votto the Canadian God of Walks.

Tadasimha · 09-07-2012, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Servo

Votto the Canadian God of Walks.

What's an appropriate sacrifice for the Canadian God Of Walks?

Wonderful Monds · 09-07-2012, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Tadasimha

What's an appropriate sacrifice for the Canadian God Of Walks?

A maple tree or a hockey player

Tom Servo · 09-07-2012, 08:04 PM

Ludwick flies out. 57 pitches for Harrell after 3.

BCubb2003 · 09-07-2012, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Wonderful Monds

A maple tree

One of those maple bats that breaks easily anyway?

Virginia Beach Reds · 09-07-2012, 08:05 PM

Now when Votto is on base, I hold my breath similar to what I had to do when Griffey was on base a few years ago.

mbgrayson · 09-07-2012, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Servo

BP and Hi-C both K looking.

Are the #1 and #2 slots jinxed? (I know, they both got hits first time through...)

Kc61 · 09-07-2012, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Tadasimha

Every pitcher needs to keep the ball in the stadium

Some pitchers can compensate for a higher home run rate. Mat Latos has the same 23 homers allowed but has 158 strikeouts and other very favorable stats that compensate.

The concept of a ground ball pitcher IMO is a guy who gets a lot of outs on the ground and does not allow many homers. Such a pitcher usually can't get away with 23 homers at this point in the season.

Brutus · 09-07-2012, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Kc61

Some pitchers can compensate for a higher home run rate. Mat Latos has the same 23 homers allowed but has 158 strikeouts and other very favorable stats that compensate.

The concept of a ground ball pitcher IMO is a guy who gets a lot of outs on the ground and does not allow many homers. Such a pitcher usually can't get away with 23 homers at this point in the season.

You avoid homers by giving up fewer fly balls. You don't have a ton of influence over your HR/FB rate. Perhaps a little, but not much. Most guys generally hover around 10-11%.

He's giving up almost 2 grounders for every fly ball. If he were giving up a normal rate of homers to fly balls, that number would be in the range of 13-15 homers which is why his xFIP is 3.71. Latos, despite his strikeouts, has an xFIP of 3.83.

Tom Servo · 09-07-2012, 08:15 PM

It's almost like night and day between Homer at Minute Minute and Homer at GABP against the same Astros team. I mean the Maxwell homer part is the same but he was much more efficient, more comfortable at Houston than in this game.

Tom Servo · 09-07-2012, 08:16 PM

Frazier with the EE special. Great pick, and then airmails the throw. Inning continues.

09-07-2012, 07:59 PM	#46
Tom Servo thirsty and miserable Join Date: May 2006 Location: NJ/NY Posts: 5,421	Re: 9/7/2012 Astros at Reds BP and Hi-C both K looking. __________________ "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

09-07-2012, 08:02 PM	#50
Tom Servo thirsty and miserable Join Date: May 2006 Location: NJ/NY Posts: 5,421	Re: 9/7/2012 Astros at Reds Votto the Canadian God of Walks. __________________ "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

09-07-2012, 08:04 PM	#53
Tom Servo thirsty and miserable Join Date: May 2006 Location: NJ/NY Posts: 5,421	Re: 9/7/2012 Astros at Reds Ludwick flies out. 57 pitches for Harrell after 3. __________________ "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

09-07-2012, 08:05 PM	#55
Virginia Beach Reds Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Milford, OH Posts: 1,655	Re: 9/7/2012 Astros at Reds Now when Votto is on base, I hold my breath similar to what I had to do when Griffey was on base a few years ago. __________________ VBR IS LIVING IN CINCINNATI...I FEEL GOOD!

09-07-2012, 08:15 PM	#59
Tom Servo thirsty and miserable Join Date: May 2006 Location: NJ/NY Posts: 5,421	Re: 9/7/2012 Astros at Reds It's almost like night and day between Homer at Minute Minute and Homer at GABP against the same Astros team. I mean the Maxwell homer part is the same but he was much more efficient, more comfortable at Houston than in this game. __________________ "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

09-07-2012, 08:16 PM	#60
Tom Servo thirsty and miserable Join Date: May 2006 Location: NJ/NY Posts: 5,421	Re: 9/7/2012 Astros at Reds Frazier with the EE special. Great pick, and then airmails the throw. Inning continues. __________________ "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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