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cumberlandreds · 09-10-2012, 02:52 PM

The automatic out is back in the lineup as SS tonight. Good to see Heisey back in CF. I thought Frazier would have had tonight off.

1. Brock Holt (L) 2B
2. Alex Presley (L) RF
3. Andrew McCutchen (R) CF
4. Garrett Jones (L) 1B
5. Pedro Alvarez (L) 3B
6. Jose Tabata (R) LF
7. Clint Barmes (R) SS
8. Rod Barajas (R) C
9. Wandy Rodriguez (S) P

1. Brandon Phillips (R) 2B
2. Chris Heisey (R) CF
3. Joey Votto (L) 1B
4. Ryan Ludwick (R) LF
5. Jay Bruce (L) RF
6. Todd Frazier (R) 3B
7. Dioner Navarro (S) C
8. Wilson Valdez (R) SS
9. Mat Latos (R) P

reds44 · 09-10-2012, 03:11 PM

Didi hit .243 and had a .288 OBP in Louisville this year. He is also an automatic out, just a younger version of it right now.

OesterPoster · 09-10-2012, 03:26 PM

I was wondering if I'm crazy, because I seriously can't remember Valdez hitting one out of the infield in a long time. His chart shows that he's only hit 6 balls farther than 300 feet all season at home...and 5 of those were outs. Checked all his road games, and he only has 2 total balls farther than 300 feet, both outs.

I'm not picking on him, but I honestly didn't know he was such an extremely weak hitter. He really makes Janish appear Herculean.

Tom Servo · 09-10-2012, 03:34 PM

^ Yeah, I cannot believe the guy actually hit 5 HR's in 2010-2011.

OnBaseMachine · 09-10-2012, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by reds44

Didi hit .243 and had a .288 OBP in Louisville this year. He is also an automatic out, just a younger version of it right now.

At least he can play defense.

Kc61 · 09-10-2012, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by OesterPoster

I'm not picking on him, but I honestly didn't know he was such an extremely weak hitter. He really makes Janish appear Herculean.

Good post, and I know you're not picking on him. But I do think too much blame is being directed to Valdez. He cannot hit, no dispute. But he's a fringe backup player.

There are so many posts on RedsZone directed to Valdez. They really should be directed to the REGULAR players who have fallen into September swoons so far.

Funny thing is the only game the Reds won this weekend, Valdez got a key hit, albeit a swinging bunt, but it produced two runs. And he fouled off a gazillion pitches, a very fine at bat in a key spot.

Valdez is what he is, a versatile backup player who can't hit. More of the guys who CAN hit need to do so.

OesterPoster · 09-10-2012, 04:04 PM

Valdez knows his role. His filling in for CF during a big road trip (was it the west coast trip?) might have been his most important job this season so far.

Jefferson24 · 09-10-2012, 04:20 PM

Dusty should have considered moving the pitcher up a spot.

Kc61 · 09-10-2012, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OesterPoster

Valdez knows his role. His filling in for CF during a big road trip (was it the west coast trip?) might have been his most important job this season so far.

It was at CitiField. I was at one of the games. LOL, CF could be his best position!

traderumor · 09-10-2012, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OesterPoster

I was wondering if I'm crazy, because I seriously can't remember Valdez hitting one out of the infield in a long time. His chart shows that he's only hit 6 balls farther than 300 feet all season at home...and 5 of those were outs. Checked all his road games, and he only has 2 total balls farther than 300 feet, both outs.

I'm not picking on him, but I honestly didn't know he was such an extremely weak hitter. He really makes Janish appear Herculean.

He got off the juice

Tadasimha · 09-10-2012, 05:13 PM

Re: Gregorious

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine

At least he can play defense.

I'm with Dusty on this one: after losing two out of three to the Astros, needing to get back on track in the win column and with a chance to finish off the Pirates, I go with the vet over the rookie.

cumberlandreds · 09-10-2012, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine

At least he can play defense.

That's my thinking too. Valdez did hit one to the warning track in cf in the Astro series. I believe that was the furthest he has hit one this season.

VR · 09-10-2012, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by cumberlandreds

That's my thinking too. Valdez did hit one to the warning track in cf in the Astro series. I believe that was the furthest he has hit one this season.

Out of 397 MLB players with >125 abs this year....the Reds have the 2nd and 5th worst OPS performers in Valdez (#2) and Cairo (#5)

cumberlandreds · 09-10-2012, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by VR

Out of 397 MLB players with >125 abs this year....the Reds have the 2nd and 5th worst OPS performers in Valdez (#2) and Cairo (#5)

Really, when you think about it, it's amazing how well the Reds have done this season with such a putrid bench and considering the injuries they have had.

Kc61 · 09-10-2012, 05:50 PM

Wandy has pitched very well his last two times out against Houston and before that Cards. Both were at home.

Latos has been tremendous since June, except for that recent outing against the Cards.

I only posted this to try and end the discussion of Valdez for awhile, as fascinating as Wilson may be.

09-10-2012, 02:52 PM	#1
cumberlandreds Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Sterling VA Posts: 7,847	9/10/2012 Pirates at Reds The automatic out is back in the lineup as SS tonight. Good to see Heisey back in CF. I thought Frazier would have had tonight off. 1. Brock Holt (L) 2B 2. Alex Presley (L) RF 3. Andrew McCutchen (R) CF 4. Garrett Jones (L) 1B 5. Pedro Alvarez (L) 3B 6. Jose Tabata (R) LF 7. Clint Barmes (R) SS 8. Rod Barajas (R) C 9. Wandy Rodriguez (S) P 1. Brandon Phillips (R) 2B 2. Chris Heisey (R) CF 3. Joey Votto (L) 1B 4. Ryan Ludwick (R) LF 5. Jay Bruce (L) RF 6. Todd Frazier (R) 3B 7. Dioner Navarro (S) C 8. Wilson Valdez (R) SS 9. Mat Latos (R) P __________________ Reds Fan Since 1971

09-10-2012, 03:26 PM	#3
OesterPoster Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: West-central Ohio Posts: 1,911	Re: 9/10/2012 Pirates at Reds I was wondering if I'm crazy, because I seriously can't remember Valdez hitting one out of the infield in a long time. His chart shows that he's only hit 6 balls farther than 300 feet all season at home...and 5 of those were outs. Checked all his road games, and he only has 2 total balls farther than 300 feet, both outs. I'm not picking on him, but I honestly didn't know he was such an extremely weak hitter. He really makes Janish appear Herculean. Last edited by OesterPoster; 09-10-2012 at 03:37 PM.

09-10-2012, 03:34 PM	#4
Tom Servo thirsty and miserable Join Date: May 2006 Location: NJ/NY Posts: 5,409	Re: 9/10/2012 Pirates at Reds ^ Yeah, I cannot believe the guy actually hit 5 HR's in 2010-2011. __________________ "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

09-10-2012, 04:04 PM	#7
OesterPoster Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: West-central Ohio Posts: 1,911	Re: 9/10/2012 Pirates at Reds Valdez knows his role. His filling in for CF during a big road trip (was it the west coast trip?) might have been his most important job this season so far.

09-10-2012, 04:20 PM	#8
Jefferson24 Plan to be spontaneous Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Illinios Posts: 1,178	Re: 9/10/2012 Pirates at Reds Dusty should have considered moving the pitcher up a spot. __________________ We only live in patches. - H. G. Wells

09-10-2012, 05:50 PM	#15
Kc61 Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 10,835	Re: 9/10/2012 Pirates at Reds Wandy has pitched very well his last two times out against Houston and before that Cards. Both were at home. Latos has been tremendous since June, except for that recent outing against the Cards. I only posted this to try and end the discussion of Valdez for awhile, as fascinating as Wilson may be. Last edited by Kc61; 09-10-2012 at 05:53 PM.

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