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Homer Bailey · 10-10-2012, 12:20 PM

Is the decision not to walk Arias being talked about anywhere else?

It's going to sound like second guessing but.... what the actual heck? I wouldn't have done it until the passed ball, but with the pitcher's spot on deck, why in the world would you not walk Arias with first open!? You either make Romo bat, or the Giants use their LAST pinch hitter, AND Romo has to come out of the game. I was screaming at the television. Has anyone asked Baker about this yet??

Scrap Irony · 10-10-2012, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Footstool

I do love how this thread went from "Dusty did a great job managing the two games in San Francisco" to "Dusty is a HOF manager and anyone who disagrees is just spouting sour grapes."

You'll have to show my where this discussion has taken place. I can't seem to find it on Redszone at all.

OldRightHander · 10-10-2012, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Homer Bailey

Is the decision not to walk Arias being talked about anywhere else?

It's going to sound like second guessing but.... what the actual heck? I wouldn't have done it until the passed ball, but with the pitcher's spot on deck, why in the world would you not walk Arias with first open!? You either make Romo bat, or the Giants use their LAST pinch hitter, AND Romo has to come out of the game. I was screaming at the television. Has anyone asked Baker about this yet??

We were saying that in the stands last night. The Giants had a pinch hitter in the on deck circle and then pulled him back after they went ahead.

Tom Servo · 10-10-2012, 01:43 PM

I still don't get pulling Chapman after 1 inning more than anything else.

Johnny Footstool · 10-10-2012, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Scrap Irony

You'll have to show my where this discussion has taken place. I can't seem to find it on Redszone at all.

Okay.

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Originally Posted by medford

I'm sure some on here just cursed me, but if we're getting into the "excellance" of the 1st 2 games, might as well give some props to Dusty.

Starting Stubbs in Center....Excellant call, and saved some runs.
Phillips continuing to bat leadoff despite late season slump there, has done wonders so far.
Starting Arroyo in game 2, who could have done better?
Remaining cool under pressure when his Ace departs after 8 pitchers.

2 games in and he has the golden touch so far.

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Originally Posted by traderumor

Dusty has managed the bullpen masterfully all season and helped the team navigate through losing their star for 1/3 of the season by performing better than they have with him. Sorry, your criticisms sound like sour grapes and nitpicking at this stage.

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Originally Posted by mdccclxix

Dusty's critics are often insulting to the man...I find that to be the most corrosive aspect to all this. People just like to take shots at him, I guess it's his cartoon name and unapologetic style. Reds fans haven't been so lucky in years. Dusty is a HOF manager, and his critics need to get a grip.

medford · 10-10-2012, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Homer Bailey

Is the decision not to walk Arias being talked about anywhere else?

It's going to sound like second guessing but.... what the actual heck? I wouldn't have done it until the passed ball, but with the pitcher's spot on deck, why in the world would you not walk Arias with first open!? You either make Romo bat, or the Giants use their LAST pinch hitter, AND Romo has to come out of the game. I was screaming at the television. Has anyone asked Baker about this yet??

Agree completely, I think it was a mistake on Dusty's part. Not only that, but it would have set up an out at every base, meaning after the bobble, Rolen could have come home (may have been easier as he was charging the ball)

Chip R · 10-10-2012, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Servo

I still don't get pulling Chapman after 1 inning more than anything else.

I get it. You pitch him 2 innings on Tuesday, he may not be able to pitch on Wednesday if you need him.

Tom Servo · 10-10-2012, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Chip R

I get it. You pitch him 2 innings on Tuesday, he may not be able to pitch on Wednesday if you need him.

In a game like last night where if you win there is no Wednesday or Thursday, I follow the sage advice of The Grass Roots

Grass Roots - Let's Live For Today - YouTube

Wonderful Monds · 10-10-2012, 06:42 PM

May have jumped the gun a bit on this thread.

westofyou · 10-10-2012, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Servo

In a game like last night where if you win there is no Wednesday or Thursday, I follow the sage advice of The Grass Roots

Grass Roots - Let's Live For Today - YouTube

Ya know Creed from The Office is in that band

Tom Servo · 10-10-2012, 06:48 PM

I'm just glad we saved Chapman for today.

Tom Servo · 10-10-2012, 07:45 PM

Dusty got out managed today. And that's not to say Bochy is a genius because he's far from it, nor is it to say that this loss is completely on Dusty because it's not, but everybody knew Leake and Zito both sucked. Bochy was willing to concede the point far earlier, realizing that even if Zito had gotten out of the jam that got him replaced that he wouldn't have magically stopped sucking.

reds44 · 10-10-2012, 07:45 PM

He shouldn't be back if we lose tomorrow.

klw · 10-10-2012, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Servo

Dusty got out managed today. And that's not to say Bochy is a genius because he's far from it, nor is it to say that this loss is completely on Dusty because it's not, but everybody knew Leake and Zito both sucked. Bochy was willing to concede the point far earlier, realizing that even if Zito had gotten out of the jam that got him replaced that he wouldn't have magically stopped sucking.

Bochy had Lincecum in the pen. Who was dusty going to pull out of the hat? Simon was his only real long guy and he is 3 innings tops

Tom Servo · 10-10-2012, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by klw

Bochy had Lincecum in the pen. Who was dusty going to pull out of the hat? Simon was his only real long guy and he is 3 innings tops

Simon has had a better year than Lincecum.

10-10-2012, 12:20 PM	#31
Homer Bailey I'm back... and forth Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,604	Re: The Excellance of Dusty Baker Is the decision not to walk Arias being talked about anywhere else? It's going to sound like second guessing but.... what the actual heck? I wouldn't have done it until the passed ball, but with the pitcher's spot on deck, why in the world would you not walk Arias with first open!? You either make Romo bat, or the Giants use their LAST pinch hitter, AND Romo has to come out of the game. I was screaming at the television. Has anyone asked Baker about this yet??

10-10-2012, 01:43 PM	#34
Tom Servo thirsty and miserable Join Date: May 2006 Location: NJ/NY Posts: 5,397	Re: The Excellance of Dusty Baker I still don't get pulling Chapman after 1 inning more than anything else. __________________ "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

10-10-2012, 06:48 PM	#41
Tom Servo thirsty and miserable Join Date: May 2006 Location: NJ/NY Posts: 5,397	Re: The Excellance of Dusty Baker I'm just glad we saved Chapman for today. __________________ "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

10-10-2012, 07:45 PM	#42
Tom Servo thirsty and miserable Join Date: May 2006 Location: NJ/NY Posts: 5,397	Re: The Excellance of Dusty Baker Dusty got out managed today. And that's not to say Bochy is a genius because he's far from it, nor is it to say that this loss is completely on Dusty because it's not, but everybody knew Leake and Zito both sucked. Bochy was willing to concede the point far earlier, realizing that even if Zito had gotten out of the jam that got him replaced that he wouldn't have magically stopped sucking. __________________ "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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