NLDS Game 5 Reds vs Giants 10/11/12

[Caveat Emperor]

Originally Posted by Chip R

What about the players?

I'd ship off Stubbs and Leake on the first bus out of town as soon as this game is over.

Then I'd work like hell to figure out why Joey Votto has turned into wet noodle bat at the plate and get that fixed for 2013.

[smith288]

Originally Posted by Patrick Bateman

Dude. It was a close play. If the ump calls a ball, I bet you check the smug at the door.

I bet I go "dude...that was way to close" and nervously appreciate the call.

But whatever. I don't know baseball because some guy who put me on ignore thinks umpires somehow see a TBS graphic showing a pitch .25 off the plate and call it accordingly.

[reds1869]

Dusty gambled and lost; it happens. I personally think it was a terrible decision (and the pitch was a ball) but I'm not sitting in the manager's seat. Time to forget about it and go get enough runs to win this thing, because that is the only way we'll be watching Reds baseball next week.

[Reds Fanatic]

Being a Cincinnati sports fan really should entitle you to some discount on therapy.

[RedEye]

Originally Posted by Chip R

What about the players?

I expect we will see some changes in that department next year as well.

[dougdirt]

Originally Posted by GAC

I didn't say I agreed with that call. But Hanigan also knew what was coming and his job is to swing and protect those runners at any cost.

If it had worked you'd all be hailing Baker. But I never said Baker shouldn't be faulted there. Just the majority should be on the hitter not executing.

In GABP, down by 3 runs, it is a terrible move. If you are playing in San Fran, maybe it makes more sense. Here, where everyone but Joey Votto can hit a home run on any given pitch? It is a terrible move.

[Caveat Emperor]

Originally Posted by Brutus

Ask the Boston Red Sox how smart it is to get carried away with accountability on account of putting too much emphasis on playoffs...

IT. IS. IMPOSSIBLE. TO. PUT. TOO. MUCH. EMPHASIS. ON. THE. PLAYOFFS.

They play the games to determine Championships. There is, quite literally, no point in even lacing up your spikes if you aren't in it to win a title.

If you want moral victories or games where everyone gets a trophy, go join a CYO league.

[Patrick Bateman]

Originally Posted by Slyder

It is of the all time DUMBEST calls EVER. Its a 3 run game Dusty absolute best case scenario and Hanigan rips a double somewhere you have a runner on 2nd and a 6-5 game. It doesn't make sense in that case to run there. None, zero, zilch, nada anyone who defends that big bonehead decisions needs their heads examined. When they ran on the fouled off pitch my exact reaction was "wtf are you trying to do? Run us out of what maybe the LAST opportunity to come back?" Needless to say... I hate being proved right.

Absolutely stupidity on display with that one.

IT WAS TO STAY OUT OF A GB DP. Odds of him grounding out are probably higher than striking out.

You don't even understand why the decision was made. It did not work out, but it's at least defensible. (I personally would not have made the call).

Hard for you to criticize.

[vaticanplum]

Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor

I'd ship off Stubbs and Leake on the first bus out of town as soon as this game is over.

Then I'd work like hell to figure out why Joey Votto has turned into wet noodle bat at the plate and get that fixed for 2013.

They clearly brought Votto back too early. He's hampered physically. Hopefully it's temporary.

[reds44]

I'm putting Chapman in for the 8th and try to get 2 innings from him.

[smith288]

Originally Posted by Reds Fanatic

Being a Cincinnati sports fan really should entitle you to some discount on therapy.

THIS

[Reds Fanatic]

Originally Posted by vaticanplum

They clearly brought Votto back too early. He's hampered physically. Hopefully it's temporary.

National league pitchers are going to pay next year when Votto is back to normal

[Kc61]

Originally Posted by RedEye

Why the hell was Bruce running? He was already in scoring position!

Isn't Hanigan a low strikeout, good contact guy?

Isn't he slow?

Maybe Dusty wanted to avoid the double play and played the odds that Hanigan would make contact.

Not a terrible play, just didn't work.

[Chip R]

Originally Posted by Tom Servo

Can't fire the players, as the old saying goes.

Sure you can. Stubbs isn't doing well, trade him, send him down or release him. You don't like Leake, same thing. Rolen hasn't performed, don't offer him a contract. You don't like Bruce, trade him. Latos didn't perform today, I'm sure 29 other teams would love to have him. Ludwick had some poor ABs, don't pick up his option. See, it's easy.

[GAC]

Originally Posted by reds44

And what happens if Hanigan swings to protect the runners, hits a soft line drive to the second baseman, and it turns into a triple play?

And what happens if he hits a GB to any place in the INF? A DP and you're out of the inning.

And IF a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his butt every time he hopped.