Looks like Madson has declined option - RedsZone.com - Cincinnati Reds Fans' Home for Baseball Discussion

RANDY IN INDY · 10-31-2012, 09:52 PM

Jon Heyman reporting, but I don't have the link.

Degenerate39 · 10-31-2012, 09:54 PM

Is he looking for more money after the stellar season he had?

Plus Plus · 10-31-2012, 09:56 PM

Heyman says that he wants a job where he's guaranteed to close.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jo...-job-elsewhere

Patrick Bateman · 10-31-2012, 09:59 PM

Reds held the option.

We were never bringing him back for the incremental 8.5M required to keep a guy coming off TJ surgery. He'd be cray to turn that down. I also doubt someone is going to give him a guaranteed closing position. He's going to have to compete.

Patrick Bateman · 10-31-2012, 10:02 PM

IIRC correctly I think it was actually a mutual option. Either way, I would assume the Reds declined, not the other way around.

vic715 · 10-31-2012, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Patrick Bateman

IIRC correctly I think it was actually a mutual option. Either way, I would assume the Reds declined, not the other way around.

Quite sure of that,No way he turns down 8.5 mill

mth123 · 11-01-2012, 02:30 AM

So, if it was a mutual option (it was per Cots), why would the Reds have to "buy out" an option that the player declined? It seems like the Reds would only be on the hook for $2.5 Million if the team was the declining party.

camisadelgolf · 11-01-2012, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by mth123

So, if it was a mutual option (it was per Cots), why would the Reds have to "buy out" an option that the player declined? It seems like the Reds would only be on the hook for $2.5 Million if the team was the declining party.

Simply put, those are the terms of the contract. Had Madson been eligible for arbitration, the Reds could've offered. There's also the likely possibility that the Reds were planning on turning down the option but let Madson save face by turning it down first. And although Madson might face competition for the closer role elsewhere, his odds are much better if Aroldis Chapman isn't his competition.

jojo · 11-01-2012, 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Plus Plus

Heyman says that he wants a job where he's guaranteed to close.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jo...-job-elsewhere

Does that signal our hopes of Chapman to the rotation are likely to be dashed?

Madson was a great decision that failed miserably. It's big disappointment through really no one's fault. Life happens sometimes.

mth123 · 11-01-2012, 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by camisadelgolf

Simply put, those are the terms of the contract. Had Madson been eligible for arbitration, the Reds could've offered. There's also the likely possibility that the Reds were planning on turning down the option but let Madson save face by turning it down first. And although Madson might face competition for the closer role elsewhere, his odds are much better if Aroldis Chapman isn't his competition.

Makes sense. I'm not seeing Madson being a big factor in 2013 though. His surgery was in April. Will he even be ready by opening day? Tommy John usually takes 12 to 18 months to get back into pitching in the big leagues and another season or so to get back effectiveness. Some guys have gone faster than that, but if I was given the job of handing out the cash, I woudn't give much guaranteed to a guy coming off Tommy John until the surgery was 24 months or so in the past. I'm glad that the Reds seem to be allowing somebody else to pay for Madson's rehab season. I'd be happy to have him back on a minor league deal that guarantees $1 Million or so with some incentives, but if he's looking for a big league deal for multi-millions guaranteed, I'd just as soon spend that money on somebody who isn't coming off of Tommy John.

Plus Plus · 11-01-2012, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by jojo

Does that signal our hopes of Chapman to the rotation are likely to be dashed?

Madson was a great decision that failed miserably. It's big disappointment through really no one's fault. Life happens sometimes.

Ahh... that's the real mystery, isn't it? I was wondering the same thing...

However, as camisadelgolf said, it could be a generic excuse and a future plan and nothing more.

klw · 11-01-2012, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Degenerate39

Is he looking for more money after the stellar season he had?

Hey he didn't blow a save all year.

Vottomatic · 11-01-2012, 09:58 PM

How do guys like Wainwright and Carpenter come back so fast, but it's going to take Madson an entire year?

Brutus · 11-01-2012, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mth123

So, if it was a mutual option (it was per Cots), why would the Reds have to "buy out" an option that the player declined? It seems like the Reds would only be on the hook for $2.5 Million if the team was the declining party.

It's a term of the CBA that all options, player, club or mutual, must have a buyout provision.

Brutus · 11-01-2012, 10:10 PM

This is absolutely meaningless as to the Reds' intentions. This might be like a Jonny Gomes situation where they feel they can decline the option and bring back the player for less money.

I don't think this gives us any indication as to whether they intend to bring Madson back.

10-31-2012, 09:52 PM	#1
RANDY IN INDY Matt's Dad Join Date: May 2000 Location: Brownsburg, Indiana Posts: 14,501	Looks like Madson has declined option Jon Heyman reporting, but I don't have the link. __________________ Talent is God Given: be humble. Fame is man given: be thankful. Conceit is self given: be careful. John Wooden

10-31-2012, 09:54 PM	#2
Degenerate39 Senor Votto Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 7,847	Re: Looks like Madson has declined option Is he looking for more money after the stellar season he had? __________________ Most Vottomatic Player

10-31-2012, 09:59 PM	#4
Patrick Bateman One and a half men Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Calgary, AB Posts: 5,455	Re: Looks like Madson has declined option Reds held the option. We were never bringing him back for the incremental 8.5M required to keep a guy coming off TJ surgery. He'd be cray to turn that down. I also doubt someone is going to give him a guaranteed closing position. He's going to have to compete.

10-31-2012, 10:02 PM	#5
Patrick Bateman One and a half men Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Calgary, AB Posts: 5,455	Re: Looks like Madson has declined option IIRC correctly I think it was actually a mutual option. Either way, I would assume the Reds declined, not the other way around.

11-01-2012, 02:30 AM	#7
mth123 The Big Dog Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 12,678	Re: Looks like Madson has declined option So, if it was a mutual option (it was per Cots), why would the Reds have to "buy out" an option that the player declined? It seems like the Reds would only be on the hook for $2.5 Million if the team was the declining party. __________________ "All I can tell them is pick a good one and sock it." --BABE RUTH Having better players makes "the right time" or "the big hit" happen a lot more often. PLUS PLUS

11-01-2012, 09:58 PM	#13
Vottomatic All work and no play..... Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Lebanon Posts: 6,747	Re: Looks like Madson has declined option How do guys like Wainwright and Carpenter come back so fast, but it's going to take Madson an entire year? __________________ "I can't take this homerism anymore." - 10xWSChamps, August 11, 2010. A Cardinals fan having a problem with all the homerism on Redszone. Classic. "Man do I miss the days where were didn't need a calculator and an encyclopedia of baseball metrics to enjoy a baseball game ... - MikeS21" - 8/2/12 game thread

11-01-2012, 10:10 PM	#15
Brutus Et tu, Brutus? Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Atlanta, Ga. Posts: 8,928	Re: Looks like Madson has declined option This is absolutely meaningless as to the Reds' intentions. This might be like a Jonny Gomes situation where they feel they can decline the option and bring back the player for less money. I don't think this gives us any indication as to whether they intend to bring Madson back. __________________ "No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference." ~Tommy Lasorda

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