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Tom Servo · 11-04-2012, 06:31 PM

Didn't know if there was a thread to discuss possible trade scenarios, so...

Fox Sports' Ken Rosenthal reports the Nationals have "been reluctant" to offer Adam LaRoche more than a two-year deal.
LaRoche declined his half of a mutual option this offseason and isn't expected to sign the Nationals' one-year, $13.3 million qualifying offer. The two sides will continue to discuss a new contract, but LaRoche is likely to test free agency and will be highly sought-after on the open market. Rosenthal suggests that Michael Morse could be shopped as a way of creating payroll.

He'd look awfully nice in LF for the Reds, but the question is what would a team ripe with depth like the Nats want from us.

cinreds21 · 11-04-2012, 10:23 PM

Not too sure if they would want pitching, even though you could never have enough. The Nationals are almost set for years at ever position. Maybe they would want to upgrade Desmond or Espinosa, but that's their only "hole" (assuming they sign Bourne or Upton to play center.)

Wonderful Monds · 11-04-2012, 10:28 PM

Bullpen or whatever?

Lotzkar, Ondrusek, Bray?

cinreds21 · 11-04-2012, 10:30 PM

Lotzkar is a year away and may be a longman or fifth starter. The Reds really don't have a great bullpen arm that would help get Morse. Their best reliever in the system now is probably Chris Manno, or Tony Cingrani if he goes that route.

Wonderful Monds · 11-04-2012, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by cinreds21

Lotzkar is a year away and may be a longman or fifth starter. The Reds really don't have a great bullpen arm that would help get Morse. Their best reliever in the system now is probably Chris Manno, or Tony Cingrani if he goes that route.

Is Morse that valuable though? He had a great year last year. This year he was kinda good, 18 HR but a middling OBP. Has only been over a 1 win player once in his career. Profiles best case scenario as a bad left fielder out in the field.

I would like him, but I would think a major league BP arm, a wild card arm, and a prospect is at least in the ballpark.

cinreds21 · 11-04-2012, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Wonderful Monds

Is Morse that valuable though? He had a great year last year. This year he was kinda good, 18 HR but a middling OBP. Has only been over a 1 win player once in his career. Profiles best case scenario as a bad left fielder out in the field.

I would like him, but I would think a major league BP arm, a wild card arm, and a prospect is at least in the ballpark.

He missed a good bit of time last season, started slow and then got back on track. I don't know his exact value, but they aren't going to get him for Logan Ondrusek. Maybe Lotzkar and Henry Rodriguez does it, but I don't know really what Washington would be looking for in return.

Kc61 · 11-04-2012, 11:41 PM

Last three years Morse OPS were .870, .910, .791.

If folks want to discuss trading for him, I think they have to be realistic about the cost.

Lotzkar, Ondrusek, Bray?

C'mon.

Patrick Bateman · 11-05-2012, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Kc61

Last three years Morse OPS were .870, .910, .791.

If folks want to discuss trading for him, I think they have to be realistic about the cost.

Lotzkar, Ondrusek, Bray?

C'mon.

A complete picture would show that Morse also plays horrid defense at positions that require little skill.

He's going to be making near 7M next year... I mean, I'd just as soon bring Ludwick back, wouldn't even have to give anything up for him. Perhaps it would cost more than the lot people here are discussing, but from the Reds POV, I certainly wouldn't be offering anything more.

camisadelgolf · 11-05-2012, 12:52 AM

Remember: there are 28 other potential suitors. I'm sure the Reds could put together a good offer, but I'm thinking there are a few other teams who could put together a more enticing package.

cumberlandreds · 11-05-2012, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Kc61

Last three years Morse OPS were .870, .910, .791.

If folks want to discuss trading for him, I think they have to be realistic about the cost.

Lotzkar, Ondrusek, Bray?

C'mon.

Yep. The Reds would have to give up a starting pitcher in the line of someone like Bailey to get him. Also Morse is really a first baseman who is only playing the outfield because LaRoche had such a solid season. He's not very good defensivley but does make up for his deficincies with his bat.

Dan · 11-05-2012, 08:29 AM

If I was going to trade for someone, that someone would probably be Nelson Cruz.

Wonderful Monds · 11-05-2012, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by cumberlandreds

Yep. The Reds would have to give up a starting pitcher in the line of someone like Bailey to get him. Also Morse is really a first baseman who is only playing the outfield because LaRoche had such a solid season. He's not very good defensivley but does make up for his deficincies with his bat.

Bailey? That's insane. We're talking about a guy here who is basically Jonny Gomes.

cinreds21 · 11-05-2012, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Wonderful Monds

Bailey? That's insane. We're talking about a guy here who is basically Jonny Gomes.

Seriously? Come on man. In 2012, Morse hit .291 vs. RHP and .290 Vs. LHP. Gomes is solely a bat against lefties as he hit .209 vs RHP last year. No, he is not basically Jonny Gomes.

cumberlandreds · 11-05-2012, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Wonderful Monds

Bailey? That's insane. We're talking about a guy here who is basically Jonny Gomes.

You obviously haven't watched Michael Morse. He's 100 times better than Gomes ever was.

Wonderful Monds · 11-05-2012, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by cumberlandreds

You obviously haven't watched Michael Morse. He's 100 times better than Gomes ever was.

Ever was? Morse has been more than a replacement level player once. 3 wins last year. Gomes has put up similar offensive seasons to Morse's best 3 times, in 2005, 2009, and this year. Both are terrible defenders so that's a push.

But yeah Morse is good. He's not THAT good.

11-04-2012, 06:31 PM	#1
Tom Servo thirsty and miserable Join Date: May 2006 Location: NJ/NY Posts: 5,417	Michael Morse: Trade Target? Didn't know if there was a thread to discuss possible trade scenarios, so... Fox Sports' Ken Rosenthal reports the Nationals have "been reluctant" to offer Adam LaRoche more than a two-year deal. LaRoche declined his half of a mutual option this offseason and isn't expected to sign the Nationals' one-year, $13.3 million qualifying offer. The two sides will continue to discuss a new contract, but LaRoche is likely to test free agency and will be highly sought-after on the open market. Rosenthal suggests that Michael Morse could be shopped as a way of creating payroll. He'd look awfully nice in LF for the Reds, but the question is what would a team ripe with depth like the Nats want from us. __________________ "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

11-04-2012, 10:23 PM	#2
cinreds21 -The Insider- Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,833	Re: Michael Morse: Trade Target? Not too sure if they would want pitching, even though you could never have enough. The Nationals are almost set for years at ever position. Maybe they would want to upgrade Desmond or Espinosa, but that's their only "hole" (assuming they sign Bourne or Upton to play center.)

11-04-2012, 10:30 PM	#4
cinreds21 -The Insider- Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,833	Re: Michael Morse: Trade Target? Lotzkar is a year away and may be a longman or fifth starter. The Reds really don't have a great bullpen arm that would help get Morse. Their best reliever in the system now is probably Chris Manno, or Tony Cingrani if he goes that route.

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Kc61 Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 10,844	Re: Michael Morse: Trade Target? Last three years Morse OPS were .870, .910, .791. If folks want to discuss trading for him, I think they have to be realistic about the cost. Lotzkar, Ondrusek, Bray? C'mon.

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