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Old 11-08-2012, 06:41 PM   #1
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Jay Bruce 2012 Silver Slugger
Congrats to Jay. Hope you have a ton more
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Old 11-08-2012, 08:05 PM   #2
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Congratulations to Jay; he earned it!
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Old 11-08-2012, 08:08 PM   #3
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Wow. Ian Desmond is a lot better player than I thought.
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Old 11-08-2012, 08:39 PM   #4
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Wow. Ian Desmond is a lot better player than I thought.
SS hitting is all of the sudden back to 1980s level, low ob% some pop
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Old 11-08-2012, 10:20 PM   #5
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Not really sure how Strasburg won over Mike Leake.

Anyway, great job, Jay!
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Old 11-08-2012, 10:26 PM   #6
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Not really sure how Strasburg won over Mike Leake.
Because Strasburg was better.

Leake - .295/.306/.443 with 1 walk and 20 strikeouts.
Strasburg - .277/.333/.426 with 3 walks and 13 strikeouts.
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Old 11-08-2012, 10:30 PM   #7
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Because Strasburg was better.

Leake - .295/.306/.443 with 1 walk and 20 strikeouts.
Strasburg - .277/.333/.426 with 3 walks and 13 strikeouts.
Is one of those lines really better than the other?
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Old 11-08-2012, 10:35 PM   #8
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Is one of those lines really better than the other?
Yes, it is.
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Old 11-08-2012, 10:39 PM   #9
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Because Strasburg was better.

Leake - .295/.306/.443 with 1 walk and 20 strikeouts.
Strasburg - .277/.333/.426 with 3 walks and 13 strikeouts.
Leake had 16 more plate appearances and more RC. I think Tony LaRussa is behind an underground movement to deny all recognition for Reds pitchers. Only explanation.
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Old 11-08-2012, 10:50 PM   #10
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Because Strasburg was better.

Leake - .295/.306/.443 with 1 walk and 20 strikeouts.
Strasburg - .277/.333/.426 with 3 walks and 13 strikeouts.
Hardly - Leake also scored 8 runs to Strasburg's 4, had 18 hits to Strasburg's 13, and Leake hit 2 homers to Strasburg's 1. Strasburg did have more RBIs than Leake, 7 to 3.

If this is a hitting award, Leake is the better hitter. Higher average, more hits, OBP and he hit more home runs.
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Old 11-08-2012, 10:50 PM   #11
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Leake had 16 more plate appearances and more RC. I think Tony LaRussa is behind an underground movement to deny all recognition for Reds pitchers. Only explanation.
I will buy that he had more plate appearances, thus could have been of more value. But when looking at just the two lines, one is certainly stronger than the other.
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Old 11-08-2012, 10:51 PM   #12
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Did Beltran not qualify as a RF? He was significantly better in the box than Bruce.
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Hardly - Leake also scored 8 runs to Strasburg's 4, had 18 hits to Strasburg's 13, and Leake hit 2 homers to Strasburg's 1. Strasburg did have more RBIs than Leake, 7 to 3.

If this is a hitting award, Leake is the better hitter. Higher average, more hits, OPS and he hit more home runs.
Leake had a higher average. Strasburg had the higher OPS.

Strasburg had a stronger triple slash. By a decent margin.
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Old 11-08-2012, 11:00 PM   #14
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Leake had a higher average. Strasburg had the higher OPS.

Strasburg had a stronger triple slash. By a decent margin.
You're right - I wrote OPS when I meant SLG, not sure why.

I'll still take Leake as a hitter over Strasburg any day.
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Leake had a higher average. Strasburg had the higher OPS.

Strasburg had a stronger triple slash. By a decent margin.
Strasburg's .759 vs. Leake's .749 is a marginal margin. It's less than an extra walk.
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