Jocketty: Reds could trade a shortstop - RedsZone.com - Cincinnati Reds Fans' Home for Baseball Discussion

Tom Servo · 11-08-2012, 11:04 PM

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The Reds have two talented shortstops on their 40-man roster: Zack Cozart, 27, and Didi Gregorius, 22. Both are far away from free agency, meaning one could be dealt to fill a more immediate need.
In fact, Jocketty told FOXSports.com Thursday that it’s possible he will trade one of them this winter.
“It depends if we get back what we need,” Jocketty said. “If we don’t, then I won’t mind holding onto them.”

http://mlbbuzz.yardbarker.com/blog/m...inter/12165043

They go on to suggest the A's as a fit with Coco Crisp coming to the Reds.

Vottomatic · 11-09-2012, 06:46 AM

Ugh. Coco Crisp. No thanks.

lollipopcurve · 11-09-2012, 07:19 AM

I'd be stunned if they dealt Cozart or Didi (in a package) for anything other than a middle of the order bat or a rock solid starter. CF is coming from within soon enough, and closer will either be a free agent or Chapman.

Dan · 11-09-2012, 07:42 AM

Leake and Gregorius as a significant portion of a package for Justin Upton?

Benihana · 11-09-2012, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan

Leake and Gregorius as a significant portion of a package for Justin Upton?

Yes please.

camisadelgolf · 11-09-2012, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan

Leake and Gregorius as a significant portion of a package for Justin Upton?

Are you kidding me? Leake, Gregorius, Cingrani, and someone else e.g. Drew Hayes or Josh Smith for Upton? Yes, please. Heck, maybe even Chad Rogers or Drew Cisco, too.

HotCorner · 11-09-2012, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan

Leake and Gregorius as a significant portion of a package for Justin Upton?

Co-sign. I'd even consider dealing Cozart instead of Didi. The Reds have been looking for a right-handed middle of the order bat for several seasons.

Chip R · 11-09-2012, 10:02 AM

They must be pretty high on Gregorious if they are talking about dealing Cozart.

Scrap Irony · 11-09-2012, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by camisadelgolf

Are you kidding me? Leake, Gregorius, Cingrani, and someone else e.g. Drew Hayes or Josh Smith for Upton? Yes, please. Heck, maybe even Chad Rogers or Drew Cisco, too.

Leake, Cozart (I think he has the better trade value), Cingrani, and Yorman Rodriguez is a pretty good haul, IMO, and one Arizona may bite on.

The 2011 Upton would go a long way to making the Reds offense outstanding.

oneupper · 11-09-2012, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Chip R

They must be pretty high on Gregorious if they are talking about dealing Cozart.

Well, he IS Dutch (born in Amsterdam, I didn't know that 5 minutes ago).

dunner13 · 11-09-2012, 10:11 AM

Would be nice to get them to throw in Bauer as well since they seem to be way down on him. I'm sure we would have to give up some good players to get both Upton and Bauer but it could be worth it to have a young middle of the order bat and young potential top starter.

MikeS21 · 11-09-2012, 10:21 AM

Cozart is solid defensively, but not spectacular. You are not going to see a lot of SportsCenter highlights of Zack playing SS. Didi is probably the better defensive player.

Offensively, Cozart does have some pop, but I'm not sold that his bat will be anything more than what we have seen. I have not seen enough of Didi to know what he will bring to the table, although I am convinced his bat has a LONG way to go.

Every time I start lamenting over the lack of offense at SS, I am reminded of the early 70's when a light-hitting, good-fielding young fellow named Davey Concepcion was handed the SS job. His bat eventually became respectable.

WildcatFan · 11-09-2012, 11:05 AM

It's still November and already our Hot Stove has turned into a Dutch Oven.

traderumor · 11-09-2012, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeS21

Cozart is solid defensively, but not spectacular. You are not going to see a lot of SportsCenter highlights of Zack playing SS. Didi is probably the better defensive player.

Offensively, Cozart does have some pop, but I'm not sold that his bat will be anything more than what we have seen. I have not seen enough of Didi to know what he will bring to the table, although I am convinced his bat has a LONG way to go.

Every time I start lamenting over the lack of offense at SS, I am reminded of the early 70's when a light-hitting, good-fielding young fellow named Davey Concepcion was handed the SS job. His bat eventually became respectable.

Cozart had several stellar plays last year and also showed good range. I don't trust Gregorius' bat. Looks like a defensive specialist to me. I'd deal him if I had my druthers.

CySeymour · 11-09-2012, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by traderumor

Cozart had several stellar plays last year and also showed good range. I don't trust Gregorius' bat. Looks like a defensive specialist to me. I'd deal him if I had my druthers.

I think the age difference is something to also take into account. At 27, Cozart isn't bound to get much better with the bat, but Gregorius, being 22, could still have some room to improve offensively.

11-09-2012, 06:46 AM	#2
Vottomatic All work and no play..... Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Lebanon Posts: 6,843	Re: Jocketty: Reds could trade a shortstop Ugh. Coco Crisp. No thanks. __________________ "I can't take this homerism anymore." - 10xWSChamps, August 11, 2010. A Cardinals fan having a problem with all the homerism on Redszone. Classic. "Man do I miss the days where were didn't need a calculator and an encyclopedia of baseball metrics to enjoy a baseball game ... - MikeS21" - 8/2/12 game thread

11-09-2012, 07:19 AM	#3
lollipopcurve Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Shelburne Falls, MA Posts: 9,484	Re: Jocketty: Reds could trade a shortstop I'd be stunned if they dealt Cozart or Didi (in a package) for anything other than a middle of the order bat or a rock solid starter. CF is coming from within soon enough, and closer will either be a free agent or Chapman. __________________ "Baseball is a very, very complex business. It's more of a people business than most businesses." - Bob Castellini

11-09-2012, 07:42 AM	#4
Dan OlafTheBlack Join Date: May 2000 Location: Woodbridge, VA Posts: 2,039	Re: Jocketty: Reds could trade a shortstop Leake and Gregorius as a significant portion of a package for Justin Upton? __________________ Genius\|Madness "Somebody will be bigger, stronger and faster than you, growing up," Griffey said with a shrug. "So why worry about it? As long as you don't let them outwork you, and you can look yourself in the mirror, then that's all you should worry about. Never worry about what somebody else is doing." Last edited by Dan; 11-09-2012 at 07:43 AM. Reason: I can't spell

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11-09-2012, 10:11 AM	#11
dunner13 Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 589	Re: Jocketty: Reds could trade a shortstop Would be nice to get them to throw in Bauer as well since they seem to be way down on him. I'm sure we would have to give up some good players to get both Upton and Bauer but it could be worth it to have a young middle of the order bat and young potential top starter.

11-09-2012, 10:21 AM	#12
MikeS21 Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Ohio Posts: 3,653	Re: Jocketty: Reds could trade a shortstop Cozart is solid defensively, but not spectacular. You are not going to see a lot of SportsCenter highlights of Zack playing SS. Didi is probably the better defensive player. Offensively, Cozart does have some pop, but I'm not sold that his bat will be anything more than what we have seen. I have not seen enough of Didi to know what he will bring to the table, although I am convinced his bat has a LONG way to go. Every time I start lamenting over the lack of offense at SS, I am reminded of the early 70's when a light-hitting, good-fielding young fellow named Davey Concepcion was handed the SS job. His bat eventually became respectable. __________________ Opinions are like belly buttons. Everybody has one, and they don't want someone else's shoved into their face.

11-09-2012, 11:05 AM	#13
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