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LoganBuck · 11-15-2012, 02:06 PM

Yes, but it has to be on the Reds' terms.

jhu1321 · 11-15-2012, 02:29 PM

If he accepts a hometown discount it's a no brainer. If he won't right now I don't think the Reds would be inclined to offer 15 + million a year.

It's fantastic to hear him saying he wants to be a Red his whole career. I now have a man crush on Jay.

Benihana · 11-15-2012, 02:34 PM

Unfortunately, I could see a 2017-2022 Bruce extension having more in common with the Vernon Wells or Alex Rios contracts than I do with the 2011-2017 Bruce contract. No need to take the plunge right now.

Chip R · 11-15-2012, 02:36 PM

I think I'd wait a couple of years. He just signed a very generous deal not two years ago that won't expire for a few more years. It sets a bit of a bad precedent.

lollipopcurve · 11-15-2012, 02:42 PM

Too soon, unless he's willing to do so on very generous terms.

JaxRed · 11-15-2012, 03:47 PM

I believe in 5 years the Votto contract may be considered the worst contract in baseball (vying with Pujols). So, no, I don't want to give him a contract like Votto.

jhu1321 · 11-15-2012, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JaxRed

I believe in 5 years the Votto contract may be considered the worst contract in baseball (vying with Pujols). So, no, I don't want to give him a contract like Votto.

Blasphemy!

Steve4192 · 11-15-2012, 04:18 PM

I love me some Jay Bruce .... but hell no I wouldn't extend him right now. In another two or three years, sure, I would be open to talking extension. But with five years left? Not interested. Too many things can happen between now and 2017 that would radically change his market value.

Signing players a decade out into the future almost always bites the team in the ass before the contract is up.

PuffyPig · 11-15-2012, 05:52 PM

The big difference to extending Bruce now for 5 more years is it only takes him to about age 35. If you wait another year or two to do so, and he has that monster season, an extension might start costing $20M per season by then.

If he'll sign another 5 at say $15M as suggested, it might be hard to pass that up.

Degenerate39 · 11-15-2012, 06:10 PM

I'd love love love to see Jay and Joe spend their whole careers here in Cincy

Unassisted · 11-15-2012, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JaxRed

I believe in 5 years the Votto contract may be considered the worst contract in baseball (vying with Pujols). So, no, I don't want to give him a contract like Votto.

Or this time next year. Remember that Votto hasn't homered since June. What if he doesn't hit one out before June 2013?

I'm concerned that Bruce's hot streaks at the plate will become fewer and farther between after age 30, the range he's asking the Reds to extend his deal into. Not sure that Reds fans will want the hitter that lurks below the mean, between the torrid stretches, if that guy becomes Jay's new normal in his thirties.

Benihana · 11-15-2012, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PuffyPig

The big difference to extending Bruce now for 5 more years is it only takes him to about age 35. If you wait another year or two to do so, and he has that monster season, an extension might start costing $20M per season by then.

If he'll sign another 5 at say $15M as suggested, it might be hard to pass that up.

Not for me it wouldn't. Way too much risk for a potential "reward" of $5MM per year, discounted back (present value) 6-10 years.

traderumor · 11-15-2012, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JaxRed

I believe in 5 years the Votto contract may be considered the worst contract in baseball (vying with Pujols). So, no, I don't want to give him a contract like Votto.

Unsubstantiated opinion alert.

Bill · 11-15-2012, 06:52 PM

Exactly what Steve said.

Patrick Bateman · 11-15-2012, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benihana

Not for me it wouldn't. Way too much risk for a potential "reward" of $5MM per year, discounted back (present value) 6-10 years.

As said, it might be $20M during his age 36+ seasons by doing the extension closer to his free agency. Just something to consider.

11-15-2012, 02:06 PM	#16
LoganBuck I hate the Cubs Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 5,627	Re: should Bruce be given a long term contract like Votto Yes, but it has to be on the Reds' terms. __________________ Whenever you get mad over a called strike or ball on a close pitch, it's the equivalent of being mad at the QB pump-faking one time before throwing a pass in your average NFL game. ---Caveat Emperor

11-15-2012, 02:29 PM	#17
jhu1321 Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 380	Re: should Bruce be given a long term contract like Votto If he accepts a hometown discount it's a no brainer. If he won't right now I don't think the Reds would be inclined to offer 15 + million a year. It's fantastic to hear him saying he wants to be a Red his whole career. I now have a man crush on Jay.

11-15-2012, 02:34 PM	#18
Benihana Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 8,659	Re: should Bruce be given a long term contract like Votto Unfortunately, I could see a 2017-2022 Bruce extension having more in common with the Vernon Wells or Alex Rios contracts than I do with the 2011-2017 Bruce contract. No need to take the plunge right now. __________________ Go BLUE!!!

11-15-2012, 02:36 PM	#19
Chip R Rally Onion! Join Date: May 2000 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 33,324	Re: should Bruce be given a long term contract like Votto I think I'd wait a couple of years. He just signed a very generous deal not two years ago that won't expire for a few more years. It sets a bit of a bad precedent. __________________ The Rally Onion wants 150 fans before Opening Day. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Rally-...24872650873160

11-15-2012, 02:42 PM	#20
lollipopcurve Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Shelburne Falls, MA Posts: 9,574	Re: should Bruce be given a long term contract like Votto Too soon, unless he's willing to do so on very generous terms. __________________ "Baseball is a very, very complex business. It's more of a people business than most businesses." - Bob Castellini

11-15-2012, 03:47 PM	#21
JaxRed Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 9,266	Re: should Bruce be given a long term contract like Votto I believe in 5 years the Votto contract may be considered the worst contract in baseball (vying with Pujols). So, no, I don't want to give him a contract like Votto.

11-15-2012, 04:18 PM	#23
Steve4192 Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,118	Re: should Bruce be given a long term contract like Votto I love me some Jay Bruce .... but hell no I wouldn't extend him right now. In another two or three years, sure, I would be open to talking extension. But with five years left? Not interested. Too many things can happen between now and 2017 that would radically change his market value. Signing players a decade out into the future almost always bites the team in the ass before the contract is up.

11-15-2012, 05:52 PM	#24
PuffyPig Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 9,836	Re: should Bruce be given a long term contract like Votto The big difference to extending Bruce now for 5 more years is it only takes him to about age 35. If you wait another year or two to do so, and he has that monster season, an extension might start costing $20M per season by then. If he'll sign another 5 at say $15M as suggested, it might be hard to pass that up.

11-15-2012, 06:10 PM	#25
Degenerate39 Senor Votto Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 7,848	Re: should Bruce be given a long term contract like Votto I'd love love love to see Jay and Joe spend their whole careers here in Cincy __________________ Most Vottomatic Player

11-15-2012, 06:52 PM	#29
Bill Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 2,267	Re: should Bruce be given a long term contract like Votto Exactly what Steve said.

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