Buster Posey wins NL MVP

[RedsManRick]

http://bbwaa.com/12-nl-mvp/

Reds finish 10th (Bruce), 12th (Chapman), 13th (Phillips) and 14th (Votto).

[mattfeet]

Wow. Honestly that's a pretty impressive showing by the Reds.

[oneupper]

Votto, despite being out with injuries so much, actually led all MLB hitters in WPA. He just doesn't make that many outs.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Originally Posted by oneupper

Votto, despite being out with injuries so much, actually led all MLB hitters in WPA. He just doesn't make that many outs.

*busts out his English-to-Sabrespeak dictionary*

WPA means Wins Probability Added. Knowing the acronym helps some, but for the most part I remain in the dark.

[nate]

Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_

*busts out his English-to-Sabrespeak dictionary*

WPA means Wins Probability Added. Knowing the acronym helps some, but for the most part I remain in the dark.

Read about it here, it's very interesting.

Key point:

For example, say the Rays have a 45% chance of winning before Ben Zobrist comes to the plate. During his at-bat, Zobrist hits a home run, pushing the Rays’ win expectancy jumps to 75%. That difference in win expectancy (in decimal form, +.30) from the beginning of the play to the end is Ben Zobrist’s WPA for that play. If Zobrist strikes out during his next at bat and lowers his team’s win expectancy by 5%, his overall WPA for the game so far would be +.30 – .05 = +.25, as WPA is a counting statistic and is additive.

[_Sir_Charles_]

I actually was reading about it Nate. Thanks though. I only posted because it might be a good idea to not just throw in acronyms that aren't that commonly known outside the sabre-circle. Just a suggestion.

And upon a cursory glance thus far, it's quite impressive that Joey led the league in this stat especially since it's a counting stat basically.

[oneupper]

Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_

I actually was reading about it Nate. Thanks though. I only posted because it might be a good idea to not just throw in acronyms that aren't that commonly known outside the sabre-circle. Just a suggestion.

And upon a cursory glance thus far, it's quite impressive that Joey led the league in this stat especially since it's a counting stat basically.

Sorry. Guilty as charged. Yeah, its a counting stat and the MVP candidates in a given year are normally at the top of the leader board.

FWIW Trout was top in the AL, but Cabrera wasn't far back.

[RedsManRick]

From a simple raw counting standpoint, Joey Votto reached base 243 times last year, 23rd in MLB. He did that in 475 plate appearances. Of the people above him on the list, the next lowest PA total was Buster Posey, with 610 -- 135 more plate appearances than Votto. More than half of the people who reached base more times had at least 200 more plate appearances than Votto did. It's hard to overstate how impressive his OBP was.

If Votto kept up his production over the ~200 PA that he missed because of the injury, he would have have led the NL in WAR (8.4 fWAR compared to Posey's 8.0, 8.0 brWAR to Posey's 7.2). When he played, Votto was the best player in the NL in 2012. He just didn't play enough.

[PuffyPig]

Originally Posted by RedsManRick

When he played, Votto was the best player in the NL in 2012.

I assume you are excluding all the Cardinals from that statement, especially "Mr. Clutch", Dan Descalso?.

[Rojo]

2 first place votes for Yadier. What were those votes based on: the lower BA? the fewer HR's and RBI? the lack of a ring?

[westofyou]

Originally Posted by Rojo

2 first place votes for Yadier. What were those votes based on: the lower BA? the fewer HR's and RBI? the lack of a ring?

Votes are before the playoffs, thus he had a ring

I bet it was the awesome neck tat

[Rojo]

Originally Posted by westofyou

Votes are before the playoffs, thus he had a ring

I bet it was the awesome neck tat

Or the pitch-framing Magick!

[GADawg]

i wish i could like Buster Posey but all the to do from Sabean and the Giants(and Posey I suppose as well) over him getting run over at the plate(like real catchers do from time to time)has turned me against him.....did I say "to do"? I meant whining

[nate]

Originally Posted by RedsManRick

From a simple raw counting standpoint, Joey Votto reached base 243 times last year, 23rd in MLB. He did that in 475 plate appearances. Of the people above him on the list, the next lowest PA total was Buster Posey, with 610 -- 135 more plate appearances than Votto. More than half of the people who reached base more times had at least 200 more plate appearances than Votto did. It's hard to overstate how impressive his OBP was.

If Votto kept up his production over the ~200 PA that he missed because of the injury, he would have have led the NL in WAR (8.4 fWAR compared to Posey's 8.0, 8.0 brWAR to Posey's 7.2). When he played, Votto was the best player in the NL in 2012. He just didn't play enough.

Wow.

[PuffyPig]

If|Votto had played 150 games at thew same level of production as he did in his other games, he would have been a shoe in for the MVP.

Once McCutheon fell off the table and the Brewers failed to contend, there went Votto's only competition.

Posey was a deserving winner, but he was 4th until the other events happened.