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12-05-2009, 11:01 AM
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12-05-2009, 11:20 AM
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12-06-2009, 02:23 AM
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Re: Chone Figgins to Seattle?
I like Figgins for the M's, and the free agent market in general so far seems pretty rational. But it's early.
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11-21-2012, 02:10 AM
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Re: Chone Figgins to Seattle?
So the Mariners finally bit the bullet and released Figgins, who managed a .585 OPS (including back to back seasons hitting under .190) over 3 years with Seattle. Given that we have heard in the past scary rumors about the Reds being interested in him, I wouldn't be shocked to see Walt pick him up on a minor league deal.
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11-21-2012, 08:23 AM
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Re: Chone Figgins to Seattle?
I suspect the Reds are looking for a utility guy who can play SS, which probably takes Figgins off the table. I'd hope the Reds wouldn't offer him more than a ST invite.
Figgins turned out to be one of the worst free agent signings ever. He's a reminder that playing in Seattle intensifies whatever flaws you might have as a hitter. He's also a poster boy for not splashing cash based on the one-year mirage effect of new age defensive stats (and if you do, at least play the guy at the position where he posted the stats).
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11-21-2012, 06:10 PM
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This was just one of those things that went horribly wrong for whatever reason.
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11-21-2012, 08:20 PM
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11-21-2012, 08:32 PM
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11-21-2012, 08:32 PM
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So he did go to the Carousel !!
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11-21-2012, 09:17 PM
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 C'mon, jojo -- that's funny.
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11-21-2012, 09:18 PM
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Still, I agree with your point. Figgins colossal collapse isn't a thing anyone could see coming.
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11-21-2012, 09:29 PM
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1) He was a dead average hitter during his time with the Angels, generating more value with his legs than his bat. A guy like that heading into his 30s is generally a shaky investment. 2) Outside of 2009 he never was a standout defender. 3) Outside of 2009 he never posted a gaudy BB rate. 4) Age and Safeco robbed him of what little power he had, and once that was gone pitchers overpowered him. As an aside, I certainly hope the Mariners didn't pay him $9 million a year to be average. Seattle had the worst offense in the AL in 2009 and needed to spend on players who could improve that sorry state of affairs.
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11-21-2012, 09:37 PM
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Re: Chone Figgins to Seattle?
I would have been happy if the Reds had signed Figgins instead of Seattle, and I would have been wrong. While he would have had more success in Cincinnati than he did in Seattle, I would guess that he still would have been trending downward, and he wouldn't have been worth the money.
He was a player I liked a lot at the time, though.
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11-21-2012, 09:49 PM
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