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Vottomatic · 11-07-2012, 09:07 AM

All of this platooning is mularkey. You all assume Dusty will use them correctly, which he never does.

mth123 · 11-22-2012, 03:58 PM

Another bargain name on the waiver wire right now is Danny Valencia. He was terrible in 2012, but he's decent at 3B and in 2010 went .374/.441/.525/.967 in 111 PAs against LHP. In 2011 he went .309/.352/.470/.822 in 159 PAs against LHP. Even with an awful 2012, his career line vs. LHP is .316/.359/.472/.831 in 359 PAs. I'd rather have Rolen playing 3B against LHP, but if Rolen retires and the budget is tight. sticking Frazier in LF and splitting 3B between a couple cheap additions wouldn't be the worst thing.

Deal for Betemit and if Rolen comes back let them split it. If Rolen retires, Valencia might not be bad. If he stinks they can always cut him after a couple months. By then a kid might be ready in the OF to push Frazier back to 3B.

The Reds need 5 bodies or so for the big league team. Either a primary LF or 3B who can help on offense, a middle infielder, a back-up corner IF, a reliever and lead-off/centerfielder. They are going to have to go cheap on some of those spots. I'd spend most of what is available on CF and the bullpen.

Tom Servo · 11-22-2012, 04:01 PM

I've been intrigued by Valencia, but more as a Louisville project.

Vottomatic · 11-23-2012, 10:03 AM

This offseason is shaping up to look like the offseason after 2010. Seems like alot of teams are overspending on average players.

Last offseason seemed like the big names, Pujols, etc. were getting the big money and teams were hedging spending on average guys.

PuffyPig · 11-25-2012, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Vottomatic

All of this platooning is mularkey. You all assume Dusty will use them correctly, which he never does.

Has Baker ever had any true platoon partners to use?

camisadelgolf · 11-25-2012, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by PuffyPig

Has Baker ever had any true platoon partners to use?

Gomes/Nix
Taveras/Dickerson
Patterson/Dickerson
Gomes/Lewis

Crumbley · 11-25-2012, 01:48 PM

This game moves so fast, completely forgot Fred Lewis had a stint here.

mth123 · 11-25-2012, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by camisadelgolf

Gomes/Nix
Taveras/Dickerson
Patterson/Dickerson
Gomes/Lewis

Patterson and Dickerson were both lefty bats.

camisadelgolf · 11-25-2012, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mth123

Patterson and Dickerson were both lefty bats.

Oops. I copy-pasta'd wrong. I meant Freel.

REDREAD · 11-26-2012, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by camisadelgolf

Gomes/Nix
Taveras/Dickerson
Patterson/Dickerson
Gomes/Lewis

I think Nix was used in a lot of platoon situations.

Honestly, Lewis and Dickerson were just bad players.

I think Dusty is effective at rotating bench bats into the game, but he considers other things besides whether the opposing starter is LH or RH.. In other words, Dusty doesn't do strict platoons, but he is good at leveraging the strengths of his bench players. He tends to start them against pitchers that he feels he will have successa against.

Tom Servo · 11-26-2012, 12:03 PM

I disagree that Dickerson was a bad player. He was a good player who couldn't stay healthy, ever.

gilpdawg · 11-26-2012, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Servo

I disagree that Dickerson was a bad player. He was a good player who couldn't stay healthy, ever.

Agree. His career .352 OBP would have looked good at the top of our lineup last year compared to what they ran out there. Career 101 OPS+. Not a star but he'd be a useful player if he would be healthy and someone would actually roster him for a full season, since NYY has stuck him at AAA of late.

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Gallen5862 · 11-26-2012, 11:39 PM

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#HpVO3Mc8JcCtQp5r.99

Giants Likely To Non-Tender Brian Wilson
By Steve Adams [November 26 at 8:47pm CST]
Brian Wilson has saved 171 games for the Giants dating back to 2006, but now, following his Tommy John surgery earlier this year, it appears likely that he'll be non-tendered, according to Henry Schulman of the San Francisco Chronicle.

As Schulman notes, teams must pay arbitration-eligible players at least 80 percent of their previous salary, which would mean the minimum offer the Giants can make Wilson is $6.8MM. That's a hefty price tag for a closer coming off Tommy John, even if he was elite at his peak. The Giants would like to non-tender Wilson and re-sign him to a one-year deal with a lower base salary, but Wilson isn't as open to that scenario.

Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#F9P9gyvoxPHxPCDu.99

camisadelgolf · 11-27-2012, 09:07 PM

Although I'm not sure he belongs in the "bargain basement" category, it's expected that Andres Torres will be non-tendered by the Mets. If the Reds spend nearly all their available budget on a left fielder and closer, maybe Torres could be brought in at a reasonable cost to platoon with Drew Stubbs in center. But when I started researching it, I found out he struggles against right-handed pitching and fares much better against lefties. Still, depending on how the off-season unfolds, he might be someone worth keeping in mind.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...orrean02.shtml

Spitball · 11-29-2012, 10:08 AM

Nate McLouth is a lefty batting centerfielder who has stuggled in recent years. He doesn't get on base enough, but he decent splits versus right-handed pitching.

He should be cheap but his hot second half might raise his value.

11-07-2012, 09:07 AM	#31
Vottomatic All work and no play..... Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Lebanon Posts: 6,820	Re: The Bargain Basement All of this platooning is mularkey. You all assume Dusty will use them correctly, which he never does. __________________ "I can't take this homerism anymore." - 10xWSChamps, August 11, 2010. A Cardinals fan having a problem with all the homerism on Redszone. Classic. "Man do I miss the days where were didn't need a calculator and an encyclopedia of baseball metrics to enjoy a baseball game ... - MikeS21" - 8/2/12 game thread

11-22-2012, 03:58 PM	#32
mth123 The Big Dog Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 12,686	Re: The Bargain Basement Another bargain name on the waiver wire right now is Danny Valencia. He was terrible in 2012, but he's decent at 3B and in 2010 went .374/.441/.525/.967 in 111 PAs against LHP. In 2011 he went .309/.352/.470/.822 in 159 PAs against LHP. Even with an awful 2012, his career line vs. LHP is .316/.359/.472/.831 in 359 PAs. I'd rather have Rolen playing 3B against LHP, but if Rolen retires and the budget is tight. sticking Frazier in LF and splitting 3B between a couple cheap additions wouldn't be the worst thing. Deal for Betemit and if Rolen comes back let them split it. If Rolen retires, Valencia might not be bad. If he stinks they can always cut him after a couple months. By then a kid might be ready in the OF to push Frazier back to 3B. The Reds need 5 bodies or so for the big league team. Either a primary LF or 3B who can help on offense, a middle infielder, a back-up corner IF, a reliever and lead-off/centerfielder. They are going to have to go cheap on some of those spots. I'd spend most of what is available on CF and the bullpen. __________________ "All I can tell them is pick a good one and sock it." --BABE RUTH Having better players makes "the right time" or "the big hit" happen a lot more often. PLUS PLUS

11-22-2012, 04:01 PM	#33
Tom Servo thirsty and miserable Join Date: May 2006 Location: NJ/NY Posts: 5,411	Re: The Bargain Basement I've been intrigued by Valencia, but more as a Louisville project. __________________ "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

11-23-2012, 10:03 AM	#34
Vottomatic All work and no play..... Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Lebanon Posts: 6,820	Re: The Bargain Basement This offseason is shaping up to look like the offseason after 2010. Seems like alot of teams are overspending on average players. Last offseason seemed like the big names, Pujols, etc. were getting the big money and teams were hedging spending on average guys. __________________ "I can't take this homerism anymore." - 10xWSChamps, August 11, 2010. A Cardinals fan having a problem with all the homerism on Redszone. Classic. "Man do I miss the days where were didn't need a calculator and an encyclopedia of baseball metrics to enjoy a baseball game ... - MikeS21" - 8/2/12 game thread

11-25-2012, 01:48 PM	#37
Crumbley Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Toledo Posts: 504	Re: The Bargain Basement This game moves so fast, completely forgot Fred Lewis had a stint here.

11-26-2012, 12:03 PM	#41
Tom Servo thirsty and miserable Join Date: May 2006 Location: NJ/NY Posts: 5,411	Re: The Bargain Basement I disagree that Dickerson was a bad player. He was a good player who couldn't stay healthy, ever. __________________ "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

11-26-2012, 11:39 PM	#43
Gallen5862 Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Wilmington,NC Posts: 5,325	Re: The Bargain Basement http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#HpVO3Mc8JcCtQp5r.99 Giants Likely To Non-Tender Brian Wilson By Steve Adams [November 26 at 8:47pm CST] Brian Wilson has saved 171 games for the Giants dating back to 2006, but now, following his Tommy John surgery earlier this year, it appears likely that he'll be non-tendered, according to Henry Schulman of the San Francisco Chronicle. As Schulman notes, teams must pay arbitration-eligible players at least 80 percent of their previous salary, which would mean the minimum offer the Giants can make Wilson is $6.8MM. That's a hefty price tag for a closer coming off Tommy John, even if he was elite at his peak. The Giants would like to non-tender Wilson and re-sign him to a one-year deal with a lower base salary, but Wilson isn't as open to that scenario. Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#F9P9gyvoxPHxPCDu.99

11-27-2012, 09:07 PM	#44
camisadelgolf Vampire Weekend @Bernie's Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 11,311	Re: The Bargain Basement Although I'm not sure he belongs in the "bargain basement" category, it's expected that Andres Torres will be non-tendered by the Mets. If the Reds spend nearly all their available budget on a left fielder and closer, maybe Torres could be brought in at a reasonable cost to platoon with Drew Stubbs in center. But when I started researching it, I found out he struggles against right-handed pitching and fares much better against lefties. Still, depending on how the off-season unfolds, he might be someone worth keeping in mind. http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...orrean02.shtml __________________ Get MLBtraderumors Reds updates on Facebook. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Reds-R...33794710005587 http://i.imgur.com/1bCKpaH.jpg

11-29-2012, 10:08 AM	#45
Spitball Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Posts: 5,492	Re: The Bargain Basement Nate McLouth is a lefty batting centerfielder who has stuggled in recent years. He doesn't get on base enough, but he decent splits versus right-handed pitching. He should be cheap but his hot second half might raise his value. __________________ "Colorless green ideas sleep furiously."- Noam Chomsky

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