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indy_dave00 · 12-02-2012, 01:48 AM

Probably one of the oddest facts I've noticed over the years; Ichiro is a .322 career hitter ; Adam Dunn is a .240 career hitter. Yet Dunn still has a higher on base pct. .370 to .364 for their careers.

CySeymour · 12-02-2012, 10:36 AM

I doubt it would happen, but I like the outside the box thinking.

I(heart)Freel · 12-02-2012, 10:10 PM

I've been advocating for this idea all off season...

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showt...44#post2773744

marcshoe · 12-02-2012, 11:38 PM

Ichiro is unique. I've never seen anyone handle a bat like he did (admittedly I only saw Wee Willie Keeper play once or twice, both times in dreams.) I'm not sure he would be the best teacher for Hamilton, who couldn't get by as easily while avoiding walks.

RedsManRick · 12-02-2012, 11:40 PM

I'd enjoy watching Ichiro, I know that. And he still plays a quality OF. I'd prefer him to a low OBP, good power guy like Heisey.

cinreds21 · 12-02-2012, 11:41 PM

I don't know why someone wouldn't want him here for a one or two-year deal. The Reds want someone to leadoff, well, it doesn't get much better than Ichiro.

M2 · 12-07-2012, 12:51 PM

I had unfairly considered Ichiro to be in steep decline prior to last year's trade. I didn't take into account how pernicious Safeco is. The fact that Ichiro hit for average in that park for a decade is astounding. Finally in 2011 and 2012 the park got the better of him. Yet it seems like he still has the skills to hit in non-post-apocalyptic setting. Could he be had for less than Ludwick is asking?

Scrap Irony · 12-07-2012, 01:03 PM

The question is whether he's willing to play in Cincinnati. If he is, I'd be happy with him in the OF. I'd love to see the Reds sign Ichiro, deal for Fowler, and put up an all obp lineup with three CF in the outfield.

Fowler CF
Ichiro LF
Votto 1B
Frazier 3B
Bruce RF
Phillips 2B
Hanigan C
Cozart SS

Some would rail about that lineup's lack of power, but 175 HR among them isn't out of the question at all. Ichiro might get 10 in a smaller park like the GAB.

mattfeet · 12-07-2012, 01:20 PM

Thatd be an awesome lineup! Can you imagine TWO good OBP guys in front of Votto? Wow.

M2 · 12-07-2012, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Scrap Irony

The question is whether he's willing to play in Cincinnati. If he is, I'd be happy with him in the OF. I'd love to see the Reds sign Ichiro, deal for Fowler, and put up an all obp lineup with three CF in the outfield.

Fowler CF
Ichiro LF
Votto 1B
Frazier 3B
Bruce RF
Phillips 2B
Hanigan C
Cozart SS

Some would rail about that lineup's lack of power, but 175 HR among them isn't out of the question at all. Ichiro might get 10 in a smaller park like the GAB.

Man, do I like that lineup. Nice mix of HR, XBH, OB, BA, speed and defense.

wally post · 12-07-2012, 01:42 PM

I can't imagine Ichiro coming to Cincy or any other midwestern city, but yep - that is GREAT.

klw · 12-07-2012, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattfeet

Thatd be an awesome lineup! Can you imagine TWO good OBP guys in front of Votto? Wow.

Ichiro's OBP the last two years is .310 and .307. I don't know that he still qualifies as a good OBP guy.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...uzukic01.shtml

RedEye · 12-07-2012, 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klw

Ichiro's OBP the last two years is .310 and .307. I don't know that he still qualifies as a good OBP guy.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...uzukic01.shtml

Small sample size, but it did spike to .340 once he went to the Yankees. Some of the low OBP might have had something to do with motivation, no?

M2 · 12-07-2012, 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedEye

Small sample size, but it did spike to .340 once he went to the Yankees. Some of the low OBP might have had something to do with motivation, no?

Ballpark was an even bigger factor. His Safeco OB in 2011 was .296 and in 2012 it was .259.

RedEye · 12-07-2012, 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M2

Ballpark was an even bigger factor. His Safeco OB in 2011 was .296 and in 2012 it was .259.

Good point. In any case, I would think Ichiro has one or two useful seasons still ahead of him. I would not be disappointed if Walt goes this route.

12-02-2012, 01:48 AM	#16
indy_dave00 Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: indiana Posts: 1,220	Re: Ichiro? Probably one of the oddest facts I've noticed over the years; Ichiro is a .322 career hitter ; Adam Dunn is a .240 career hitter. Yet Dunn still has a higher on base pct. .370 to .364 for their careers.

12-02-2012, 10:36 AM	#17
CySeymour .377 in 1905 Join Date: May 2005 Location: Carmel, IN Posts: 1,456	Re: Ichiro? I doubt it would happen, but I like the outside the box thinking. __________________ ...the 2-2 to Woodsen and here it comes...and it is swung on and missed! And Tom Browning has pitched a perfect game! Twenty-seven outs in a row, and he is being mobbed by his teammates, just to the thirdbase side of the mound.

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marcshoe Ex-tixe Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Just past Mars Posts: 4,466	Re: Ichiro? Ichiro is unique. I've never seen anyone handle a bat like he did (admittedly I only saw Wee Willie Keeper play once or twice, both times in dreams.) I'm not sure he would be the best teacher for Hamilton, who couldn't get by as easily while avoiding walks. __________________ At the Edge of the Woods Preview Go to the edge of the cliff and jump off. Build your wings on the way down. --Ray Bradbury

12-02-2012, 11:40 PM	#20
RedsManRick Stat Wanker Hodiernus Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 14,905	Re: Ichiro? I'd enjoy watching Ichiro, I know that. And he still plays a quality OF. I'd prefer him to a low OBP, good power guy like Heisey. __________________ Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

12-02-2012, 11:41 PM	#21
cinreds21 -The Insider- Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,832	Re: Ichiro? I don't know why someone wouldn't want him here for a one or two-year deal. The Reds want someone to leadoff, well, it doesn't get much better than Ichiro.

12-07-2012, 12:51 PM	#22
M2 Posting in Dynarama Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Boston Posts: 26,668	Re: Ichiro? I had unfairly considered Ichiro to be in steep decline prior to last year's trade. I didn't take into account how pernicious Safeco is. The fact that Ichiro hit for average in that park for a decade is astounding. Finally in 2011 and 2012 the park got the better of him. Yet it seems like he still has the skills to hit in non-post-apocalyptic setting. Could he be had for less than Ludwick is asking? __________________ Baseball isn't a magic trick ... it doesn't get spoiled if you figure out how it works. - gonelong I'm witchcrafting everybody.

12-07-2012, 01:03 PM	#23
Scrap Irony Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Bedford, KY Posts: 8,992	Re: Ichiro? The question is whether he's willing to play in Cincinnati. If he is, I'd be happy with him in the OF. I'd love to see the Reds sign Ichiro, deal for Fowler, and put up an all obp lineup with three CF in the outfield. Fowler CF Ichiro LF Votto 1B Frazier 3B Bruce RF Phillips 2B Hanigan C Cozart SS Some would rail about that lineup's lack of power, but 175 HR among them isn't out of the question at all. Ichiro might get 10 in a smaller park like the GAB. __________________ "You can learn little from victory. You can learn everything from defeat." -- Christy Matthewson "Show me a good loser and I'll show you an idiot." -- Leo Durocher

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mattfeet Moderator Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,369	Re: Ichiro? Thatd be an awesome lineup! Can you imagine TWO good OBP guys in front of Votto? Wow.

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wally post Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: New York City Posts: 1,107	Re: Ichiro? I can't imagine Ichiro coming to Cincy or any other midwestern city, but yep - that is GREAT.

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