Gammons says Upton in mix if Gregorius is

[buckeyenut]

Peter Gammons ‏@pgammo

Clear 'Backs will lobbytalk Upton if Gregorius, Bogaerts, Simmons or Profar is avaliable, whivh none on, thus far

If Gregorius is the linchpin of a deal for Upton from a Reds perspective, is there anyone here who would NOT pull the trigger? With Cozart already in place at SS, I deal Gregorius plus stuff for Upton every day of the week, as long as the stuff doesn't touch Hamilton or the ML starting roster / rotation. And I'd talk about Leake if they liked him.

[Dan]

Originally Posted by buckeyenut

If Gregorius is the linchpin of a deal for Upton from a Reds perspective, is there anyone here who would NOT pull the trigger? With Cozart already in place at SS, I deal Gregorius plus stuff for Upton every day of the week, as long as the stuff doesn't touch Hamilton or the ML starting roster / rotation. And I'd talk about Leake if they liked him.

I think I proposed Leake/Gregorius for Upton sometime back. (Then again I've proposed a lot of deals for Upton, so that doesn't count for much.) It really does make sense for both clubs.

Hamilton
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[klw]

Just as long as Pokey Reese is off the table, I would send them Gregorius.

[REDREAD]

I'm not sure if I would do the trade or not, but let me play Devil's advocate.

Upton's OPS the last 5 years:
816, 899, 799, 898, 785
Signed through 2015 at 9.7 million, 14.2 million, 14.5 million

If we could get the 900 OPS version, it's a lot more attactive.
He's going to be very expensive though in 2014-2015.. If he only can OPS around 800, that's a disaster. Upton's high price tag negates some of the advantage of his youth (He's going to be a FA at age 27-28)

The other option would be to keep Didi and just sign Ludwick.
Ludwick hasn't exactly been Mr Consistency either, but we probably get him signed for a little bit less money and he doesn't cost us prospects.

[Benihana]

Originally Posted by klw

Just as long as Pokey Reese is off the table, I would send them Gregorius.

Gregorius, Leake and one of Corcino/Cingrani for Upton. BOOM!

(Too bad Ludwick will likely sign today taking this opportunity off the table).

[Benihana]

Originally Posted by REDREAD

I'm not sure if I would do the trade or not, but let me play Devil's advocate.

Upton's OPS the last 5 years:
816, 899, 799, 898, 785
Signed through 2015 at 9.7 million, 14.2 million, 14.5 million

If we could get the 900 OPS version, it's a lot more attactive.
He's going to be very expensive though in 2014-2015.. If he only can OPS around 800, that's a disaster. Upton's high price tag negates some of the advantage of his youth (He's going to be a FA at age 27-28)

The other option would be to keep Didi and just sign Ludwick.
Ludwick hasn't exactly been Mr Consistency either, but we probably get him signed for a little bit less money and he doesn't cost us prospects.

I know you are just playing devil's advocate, but last year aside, I think the Reds will rue the day they pick Ludwick over Justin Upton- especially for the next 3 years.

[Superdude]

When did Gregorius' trade value become even comparable to Profar?

[jhu1321]

I'm not sure how believable this report is. It would be hard to understand why Gregorious is valued that high with questions about his bat.

[mdccclxix]

He is impressive at short though.

[REDREAD]

Originally Posted by Benihana

I know you are just playing devil's advocate, but last year aside, I think the Reds will rue the day they pick Ludwick over Justin Upton- especially for the next 3 years.

I'm hoping the Reds only have to give Ludwick 2 years.
But we'll see how it plays out.
Maybe I'm nuts, but I think in 2013, it's not clear cut who will put up the better numbers. Ludwick has a chance to match Upton, or be close.

It's nice to see Didi in such high demand (if Gammons is right).
The Reds are going to be in a pretty nice position when they are going to be able to trade either Didi or Cozart.

The thing about Upton that makes me nervous is that the Reds need a true star if they are going to pay him 14+ million. Paying a LF that only OPSes 800 that much is a recipe for disaster.. I guess I'm not sure which Upton we'd end up getting.. There is some potential downside.

[RedEye]

Seems like Gammons is having some difficulty typing on his smart phone. I feel his pain.

[M2]

Would they also talk Upton if Cozart were available?

[SidneySlicker]

I'd prefer Fowler to Upton, but I think the asking price for Fowler will simply be too much. Ludwick and Upton may be comparible this year however with a trade of Upton LF is taken care of for a number of years and at a pretty reasonable price. With Ludwick in 2 or 3 years they'll be having to fill the position again. Can you imagine the excitement going into Redsfest this weekend with the addition of Upton?

[MikeThierry]

Originally Posted by Superdude

When did Gregorius' trade value become even comparable to Profar?

I was sort of thinking the same thing. What prospect in baseball's trade value is comparable with Profar. Heck, Oscar Taveras might be the best pure hitting prospect in the minors right now but I would still take Profar even over my man crush for Taveras.

[RedEye]

Originally Posted by SidneySlicker

I'd prefer Fowler to Upton, but I think the asking price for Fowler will simply be too much.

Wow. I'd really prefer Upton. Do you really think they'd ask more for Fowler than AZ would for Upton? If so, I'm not sure I know what color this sky is.