Ode to the bad player - Page 4 - RedsZone.com - Cincinnati Reds Fans' Home for Baseball Discussion

camisadelgolf · 12-18-2012, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by RedsfaninMT

So I need help. Who was that pitcher who was lights out in Spring Training several years ago, but when the season rolled around, he couldn't retire a batter. For some reason Del Resario is in my mind, but I am not sure that is correct.

Help?

Josias Manzanillo

His nephew, Jerry Gil, became a Red, too.

Tornon · 12-18-2012, 11:52 PM

Jimmy Anderson

George Anderson · 12-19-2012, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by WVPacman

Come on guys im dissapointed in you. Nobody said Drew Stubbs so thats my pick b/c he absolutely drove me up the wall.He has all the talent in the world and don't know how to use it correctly.

The OP asked this question.

I'm not talking about a frustrating player that has loads of talent but isn't living up to it. I'm talking about the players that you wonder why they're up at the major league level to begin with. The kind of player where not only you laugh at how bad they are but you kind of feel sorry for him.

Stubbs sucked in alot of ways but his sucktitude doesn't qualify for the question above.

WVPacman · 12-19-2012, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by George Anderson

The OP asked this question.

I'm not talking about a frustrating player that has loads of talent but isn't living up to it. I'm talking about the players that you wonder why they're up at the major league level to begin with. The kind of player where not only you laugh at how bad they are but you kind of feel sorry for him.

Stubbs sucked in alot of ways but his sucktitude doesn't qualify for the question above.

I agree with you to a centin extent but he year by year should have improved over each year and he did'nt.He got worse imo and thats why he was so frustrating.

Handofdeath · 12-19-2012, 12:13 AM

RedEye · 12-19-2012, 12:14 AM

I'm gathering from the conversation so far that the true "bad ballplayer" has to have absolutely no redeeming qualities whatsoever. One-dimensional contributors don't qualify in that sense, since they do have that one thing they can give the team. Exhibit A is Juan Castro -- who doesn't make the list since he he did have one redeeming quality: that famous sure-handedness.

Anyway, here's a list of names for your consideration (hat tip to this site):

Wily Mo Pena
Eric Milton
Willy Taveras
Jeff Francoeur
Bob Uecker
Billy Beane
Jose Lind
John Rocker

powersackers · 12-19-2012, 12:29 AM

Kevin Maas

wheels · 12-19-2012, 12:36 AM

Marv Throneberry was the worst player on the worst team of all time (62 Mets).

wheels · 12-19-2012, 12:37 AM

Oh, and Tommy Lasorda had a 6.48 ERA over three seasons. It doesn't get much worse than that.

mth123 · 12-19-2012, 12:39 AM

Curtis Goodwin
Phil Dumatrait

DGullett35 · 12-19-2012, 01:00 AM

Drew Stubbs. haha just kidding but what about Pete Rose Jr.? Nothing close to his father but they did manage to have a combined 4,258 hits.

oneupper · 12-19-2012, 05:33 AM

This site came up with nice list, IMO. Even some 19th century guys.

http://jimjividen.blogspot.com/2009/...yers-ever.html

Plus some guys I remember, like Jesus Alou, Ken Reitz, Craig Paquette, Dan Meyer and Doug Flynn. I don't remember them being that bad, but apparently they were.

Kevin Jarvis pitched terribly for 10 teams in 12 years, starting with our REDs.
Lifetime 6.03 ERA. WAR -5.4.
Dude was bad.

PuffyPig · 12-19-2012, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by powersackers

Kevin Maas

Kevin Maas posted an OPS+ of 107 over 5 years.

He was a poor fielder but an above average hitter.

Surely there were worse players than him in the majors, considering the majority of major league players were wrose hitters than him.

cumberlandreds · 12-19-2012, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Vottomatic

I'm 47 years old. I don't remember anything much before about '72 or '73. What he did with Houston was before my time.

What he did with the Reds didn't impress me. He was a backup. I don't remember him being much of a hitting threat. But hey.........I was young.

Menke started for the 72 team. He was past his prime with the Reds but he was a steadying defensive player at 3rd base. He wasn't a bad player at all.

cumberlandreds · 12-19-2012, 07:45 AM

Enzo Hernandez. He was the starting SS for the 1971 Padres and batted leadoff most of the season. He came to bat over 500 times and had 12 RBI and an OBP 0f .295.

I think Paul Householder and Brad Komminsk were really twins. They were just so much alike it was scary.

The Reds brought up a relief pitcher a few years ago IIRC was named Booker. He was just terrible. But you could that about a bunch of Reds pitchers in the 2000's.

12-18-2012, 11:52 PM	#47
Tornon Who, What, Where, When? Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,533	Re: Ode to the bad player Jimmy Anderson

12-19-2012, 12:13 AM	#50
Handofdeath Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Lubbock, Texas Posts: 1,361	Re: Ode to the bad player

12-19-2012, 12:14 AM	#51
RedEye Ojo Rojo Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Moving to Atlanta in July Posts: 5,023	Re: Ode to the bad player I'm gathering from the conversation so far that the true "bad ballplayer" has to have absolutely no redeeming qualities whatsoever. One-dimensional contributors don't qualify in that sense, since they do have that one thing they can give the team. Exhibit A is Juan Castro -- who doesn't make the list since he he did have one redeeming quality: that famous sure-handedness. Anyway, here's a list of names for your consideration (hat tip to this site): Wily Mo Pena Eric Milton Willy Taveras Jeff Francoeur Bob Uecker Billy Beane Jose Lind John Rocker

12-19-2012, 12:29 AM	#52
powersackers Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 794	Kevin Maas __________________ Attended 1976 World Series in my Mother's Womb. Attended 1990 World Series Game 2 as a 13 year old. Want to take my son to a a World Series Game in Cincinnati in my lifetime.

12-19-2012, 12:36 AM	#53
wheels Dented and Spent Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 6,581	Re: Ode to the bad player Marv Throneberry was the worst player on the worst team of all time (62 Mets). __________________ "Opening Day.... Pfffft! We get all excited, thinking they're gonna have some kinda great year....Same thing over and over. Disappointment. What time do you want me to come over?" - My Dad. Opening Day 2012.

12-19-2012, 12:37 AM	#54
wheels Dented and Spent Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 6,581	Re: Ode to the bad player Oh, and Tommy Lasorda had a 6.48 ERA over three seasons. It doesn't get much worse than that. __________________ "Opening Day.... Pfffft! We get all excited, thinking they're gonna have some kinda great year....Same thing over and over. Disappointment. What time do you want me to come over?" - My Dad. Opening Day 2012.

12-19-2012, 12:39 AM	#55
mth123 The Big Dog Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 12,905	Re: Ode to the bad player Curtis Goodwin Phil Dumatrait __________________ "All I can tell them is pick a good one and sock it." --BABE RUTH Having better players makes "the right time" or "the big hit" happen a lot more often. PLUS PLUS

12-19-2012, 01:00 AM	#56
DGullett35 Have Faith In Dusty Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: O-H-I-O Posts: 712	Re: Ode to the bad player Drew Stubbs. haha just kidding but what about Pete Rose Jr.? Nothing close to his father but they did manage to have a combined 4,258 hits. __________________ "Losing feels worse than winning feels good." -Vin Scully

12-19-2012, 05:33 AM	#57
oneupper Danger is my business! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Back in Florida Posts: 7,906	Re: Ode to the bad player This site came up with nice list, IMO. Even some 19th century guys. http://jimjividen.blogspot.com/2009/...yers-ever.html Plus some guys I remember, like Jesus Alou, Ken Reitz, Craig Paquette, Dan Meyer and Doug Flynn. I don't remember them being that bad, but apparently they were. Kevin Jarvis pitched terribly for 10 teams in 12 years, starting with our REDs. Lifetime 6.03 ERA. WAR -5.4. Dude was bad. __________________ "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it." http://dalmady.blogspot.com

12-19-2012, 07:45 AM	#60
cumberlandreds Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Sterling VA Posts: 7,981	Re: Ode to the bad player Enzo Hernandez. He was the starting SS for the 1971 Padres and batted leadoff most of the season. He came to bat over 500 times and had 12 RBI and an OBP 0f .295. I think Paul Householder and Brad Komminsk were really twins. They were just so much alike it was scary. The Reds brought up a relief pitcher a few years ago IIRC was named Booker. He was just terrible. But you could that about a bunch of Reds pitchers in the 2000's. __________________ Reds Fan Since 1971

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