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Blitz Dorsey · 12-21-2012, 12:56 PM

2 years, $14 million.

Their rotation has a pretty solid top-four with Burnett, McDonald, Wandy and Liriano. I assume Morton will be No. 5 if healthy?

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/87...on-report-says

Dan · 12-21-2012, 01:00 PM

The way Liriano has pitched the past several years has been quite Volquez-like. I think this is a good signing...for the Reds.

marcshoe · 12-21-2012, 01:08 PM

I think this is another move that shows who the Pirates really are. Sign a reputation to try to prove you're a contender while hoping fans won't think about how poorly the player's performed recently. ERA over five the last two seasons, three of the last four.

REDREAD · 12-21-2012, 01:21 PM

Well, Pittsburg is not exactly a place where most FA want to go.

I have not followed Liriano much, but he's not a horrible signing for the BOR. He's had success in the past, there's always hope to recapture the magic.

I like this signing better than comparable ones that the Reds used to make (Fogg, J Anderson, etc)

Signings like this make me appreciate guys like Arroyo and Leake though. Kind of proves how scarce quality starting pitching is.

wolfboy · 12-21-2012, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by marcshoe

I think this is another move that shows who the Pirates really are. Sign a reputation to try to prove you're a contender while hoping fans won't think about how poorly the player's performed recently. ERA over five the last two seasons, three of the last four.

It reminds me very much of some of the Bowden years. Sign "name" reclamation projects and hope for the best. Unfortunately, as we learned many times, that's not enough to push you over the hump.

vaticanplum · 12-21-2012, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by wolfboy

It reminds me very much of some of the Bowden years. Sign "name" reclamation projects and hope for the best. Unfortunately, as we learned many times, that's not enough to push you over the hump.

They're good signings when they're potentially filling holes, and you have backup if needed. They're not things to build on, and...ugh, Pirates. They're maddening and I don't even care about them.

NJReds · 12-21-2012, 01:38 PM

Burnett was all kinds of awful in NY, but he was an ace w/Pitt. Maybe they think a change of scenery will help Liriano.

vaticanplum · 12-21-2012, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by NJReds

Burnett was all kinds of awful in NY, but he was an ace w/Pitt. Maybe they think a change of scenery will help Liriano.

Oh, I'm sure that's what they're thinking. Or hoping.

UKFlounder · 12-21-2012, 01:42 PM

But isn't $14 million a lot of money for a hope? And even $17 million for Russell Martin seemed a lot to me

Am I just out of touch with how much money teams have these days? I could see a Liriano getting a 1 year deal, but 2 years, $14 million?

Steve4192 · 12-21-2012, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by REDREAD

I like this signing better than comparable ones that the Reds used to make (Fogg, J Anderson, etc)

I don't think it's comparable to those signings. Those guys were signed on the cheap. Liriano is making a nice chunk of change. This is more like the Eric Milton signing.

Tom Servo · 12-21-2012, 02:39 PM

That's a lot of money for a guy who hasn't looked genuinely good since 2006.

PuffyPig · 12-21-2012, 02:44 PM

This is the kind of guy you sign for $3M over 1 year with a chance to prove himself again.

Tom Servo · 12-21-2012, 03:54 PM

Also, didn't Pittsburgh non-tender Jeff Karstens? I definitely think Karstens is better than Liriano, and is cheaper to boot.

Will M · 12-21-2012, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by PuffyPig

This is the kind of guy you sign for $3M over 1 year with a chance to prove himself again.

I don't understand current baseball economics. Stephen Drew's $10M deal is another headscratcher for me. Guys I think should get a minor league deal & an invite to spring training are getting millions of dollars.

Liriano isn't awful but he doesn't seem worth the deal he got.

Blitz Dorsey · 12-21-2012, 05:39 PM

As someone said earlier, a lot of people were wondering why the Pirates wanted anything to do with AJ Burnett. Sometimes a change of scenery is all a guy needs -- especially a starting pitcher going from the AL to the NL. Not saying this was a good move for the Bucs, but I don't think it was a terrible one. They definitely needed another starting pitcher. They have a pretty decent rotation now from 1-5.

12-21-2012, 12:56 PM	#1
Blitz Dorsey Party like it's 1990 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,474	Pirates sign Liriano 2 years, $14 million. Their rotation has a pretty solid top-four with Burnett, McDonald, Wandy and Liriano. I assume Morton will be No. 5 if healthy? http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/87...on-report-says

12-21-2012, 01:00 PM	#2
Dan OlafTheBlack Join Date: May 2000 Location: Woodbridge, VA Posts: 2,059	Re: Pirates sign Liriano The way Liriano has pitched the past several years has been quite Volquez-like. I think this is a good signing...for the Reds. __________________ Genius\|Madness "Somebody will be bigger, stronger and faster than you, growing up," Griffey said with a shrug. "So why worry about it? As long as you don't let them outwork you, and you can look yourself in the mirror, then that's all you should worry about. Never worry about what somebody else is doing."

12-21-2012, 01:08 PM	#3
marcshoe Ex-tixe Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Just past Mars Posts: 4,526	Re: Pirates sign Liriano I think this is another move that shows who the Pirates really are. Sign a reputation to try to prove you're a contender while hoping fans won't think about how poorly the player's performed recently. ERA over five the last two seasons, three of the last four. __________________ At the Edge of the Woods Preview Go to the edge of the cliff and jump off. Build your wings on the way down. --Ray Bradbury

12-21-2012, 01:21 PM	#4
REDREAD Where's my chair? Join Date: Apr 2000 Posts: 19,883	Re: Pirates sign Liriano Well, Pittsburg is not exactly a place where most FA want to go. I have not followed Liriano much, but he's not a horrible signing for the BOR. He's had success in the past, there's always hope to recapture the magic. I like this signing better than comparable ones that the Reds used to make (Fogg, J Anderson, etc) Signings like this make me appreciate guys like Arroyo and Leake though. Kind of proves how scarce quality starting pitching is. __________________ Thank you Walt and Bob for going for it in 2012 AND 2013! Nov. 13, 2007: One of the greatest days in Reds history: John Allen gets the boot!

12-21-2012, 01:38 PM	#7
NJReds Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 5,411	Re: Pirates sign Liriano Burnett was all kinds of awful in NY, but he was an ace w/Pitt. Maybe they think a change of scenery will help Liriano. __________________ "The players make the manager, it's never the other way." - Sparky Anderson

12-21-2012, 01:42 PM	#9
UKFlounder Go Reds Go! Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Northern KY Posts: 1,829	Re: Pirates sign Liriano But isn't $14 million a lot of money for a hope? And even $17 million for Russell Martin seemed a lot to me Am I just out of touch with how much money teams have these days? I could see a Liriano getting a 1 year deal, but 2 years, $14 million? __________________ http://www.civilwarobsession.com

12-21-2012, 02:39 PM	#11
Tom Servo thirsty and miserable Join Date: May 2006 Location: NJ/NY Posts: 5,608	Re: Pirates sign Liriano That's a lot of money for a guy who hasn't looked genuinely good since 2006. __________________ "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

12-21-2012, 02:44 PM	#12
PuffyPig Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 9,837	Re: Pirates sign Liriano This is the kind of guy you sign for $3M over 1 year with a chance to prove himself again.

12-21-2012, 03:54 PM	#13
Tom Servo thirsty and miserable Join Date: May 2006 Location: NJ/NY Posts: 5,608	Re: Pirates sign Liriano Also, didn't Pittsburgh non-tender Jeff Karstens? I definitely think Karstens is better than Liriano, and is cheaper to boot. __________________ "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

12-21-2012, 05:39 PM	#15
Blitz Dorsey Party like it's 1990 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,474	Re: Pirates sign Liriano As someone said earlier, a lot of people were wondering why the Pirates wanted anything to do with AJ Burnett. Sometimes a change of scenery is all a guy needs -- especially a starting pitcher going from the AL to the NL. Not saying this was a good move for the Bucs, but I don't think it was a terrible one. They definitely needed another starting pitcher. They have a pretty decent rotation now from 1-5.

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