RedsZone.com - Cincinnati Reds Fans' Home for Baseball Discussion  

Go Back   RedsZone.com - Cincinnati Reds Fans' Home for Baseball Discussion > RedsZone > The Old Red Guard

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-22-2012, 04:20 PM   #1
Benihana
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Posts: 8,406
Can Walt do no wrong?

There have been both unanimously good moves as well as several controversial ones, but one thing is clear - Walt Jocketty seems to be invincible as Reds GM:

Many complained (myself included) about the Scott Rolen trade, as the Reds weren't contending and Zach Stewart was a prized prospect.

One year later, Rolen led the Reds to the division crown twice in three years and Stewart fizzled out into a journeyman.

Many complained (myself included) that Walt was "asleep" and unable to accurately read the market and acquire the ace pitcher the Reds so desperately needed last offseason.

Walt gave up spare parts for Mat Latos, one of the best young arms in the game. Walt went out and signed Ryan Ludwick to play LF and outperform Yonder Alonso offensively.

Many complained (myself included) when Walt "overpayed" for Sean Marshall by dealing Wood, Sappelt and Torreyes.


Marshall played an instrumental role in the Reds league-best bullpen while Wood appears to be a #5 starter at best, and it remains doubtful that Sappelt or Torreyes will ever stick in the majors.

Many complained (myself included) when Walt failed to trade for Andrew Bailey.


Walt instead signed Ryan Madson and traded for Jonathan Broxton to help the backend of the bullpen. Meanwhile Andrew Bailey pitched to a 7+ ERA after missing the first half of the season with an injury, and the Red Sox are back in the market for a closer, reportedly close to trading significant pieces for Joel Hannrahan.

Many complained when Walt traded Sulbaran and Joseph for Jonathan Broxton, arguing that Broxton was all smoke and mirrors.

Broxton was a key member of the Reds strong bullpen down the stretch and into the postseason. Sulbaran and Joseph do not appear to be impact major leaguers, at least at this point.

My question is this - can Walt do no wrong? Does he deserve anything less than a A++ for his performance the last 3+ years? These transactions don't even mention the Chapman signing, the Choo trade, and the extensions of Votto, Bruce, Phillips and Cueto- all of which were universally praised by almost everyone. Even the drafts under his watch have been highly successful, producing the first player in a decade to make his major league debut without playing in the minors (Leake), one of the most intriguing prospects of all time (Hamilton), two of the top 15 pitching prospects in the game (Stephenson and Cingrani), and several trade bait prospects to acquire Mat Latos and Scott Rolen (Alonso, Stewart, Roenicke, Boxberger, and Grandal). Is there another GM in the game who is currently in as good favor with their fanbase as Walt?

Andrew Friedman maybe. Jon Daniels possibly. You could make the case that Walt has done as good of a job as either of these guys. Certainly he has made fewer mistakes.
__________________
Go BLUE!!!

Last edited by Benihana; 12-22-2012 at 04:39 PM.
Benihana is offline   Reply With Quote
Turn Off Ads?
Old 12-22-2012, 04:38 PM   #2
MikeS21
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Ohio
Posts: 3,650
Re: Can Walt do no wrong?

It's all about performance. All it takes is the team getting off to a poor start, or a couple key injuries, and suddenly everything will be Walt's fault because he should have read his tea leaves and consulted a fortune teller so that he would know who the weakest link would be.

Don't worry. As soon as it becomes apparent the team won't go 162-0, and win every game by a score of 10-0, he will be the goat again.
__________________
Opinions are like belly buttons. Everybody has one, and they don't want someone else's shoved into their face.
MikeS21 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2012, 04:45 PM   #3
Benihana
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Posts: 8,406
Re: Can Walt do no wrong?

Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeS21 View Post
It's all about performance. All it takes is the team getting off to a poor start, or a couple key injuries, and suddenly everything will be Walt's fault because he should have read his tea leaves and consulted a fortune teller so that he would know who the weakest link would be.

Don't worry. As soon as it becomes apparent the team won't go 162-0, and win every game by a score of 10-0, he will be the goat again.
That's one of the reasons for a post like this - to poll the board. Is there any glaring thing Walt should've done this offseason? Is anyone unhappy with his performance? I wanted Justin Upton but I am very pleased with the Choo deal. There really isn't much else for him to do at this point, other than maybe acquire a LOOGY for the 'pen. It's almost like a "Speak up now or hold your peace until the trade deadline" type of thing.
__________________
Go BLUE!!!
Benihana is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2012, 04:47 PM   #4
dougdirt
The Boss
 
dougdirt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 30,657
Re: Can Walt do no wrong?

Of course he can do wrong.
__________________
www.redsminorleagues.com
dougdirt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2012, 04:49 PM   #5
reds1869
We Need Our Myths
 
reds1869's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Overlooking GABP
Posts: 4,162
Re: Can Walt do no wrong?

Quote:
Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
Of course he can do wrong.
He just chooses not to.
reds1869 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2012, 05:00 PM   #6
dougdirt
The Boss
 
dougdirt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 30,657
Re: Can Walt do no wrong?

Walt Jocketty was a special adviser and a 6 weeks from being named GM when the Reds brought on Corey Patterson. Walt was the GM when the Reds brought on Willy Taveras.
__________________
www.redsminorleagues.com
dougdirt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2012, 06:15 PM   #7
Tom Servo
thirsty and miserable
 
Tom Servo's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: NJ/NY
Posts: 5,385
Re: Can Walt do no wrong?

Quote:
Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
Walt Jocketty was a special adviser and a 6 weeks from being named GM when the Reds brought on Corey Patterson. Walt was the GM when the Reds brought on Willy Taveras.
Pobody's nerfect.
__________________
"Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."
Tom Servo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2012, 07:01 PM   #8
bellhead
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 554
Re: Can Walt do no wrong?

I also think he benefited from Wayne Krivsky who had some excellent drafts while he was here and stocked the farm pretty well, but saying that He has been the man here and I hope he never leaves...
bellhead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2012, 07:12 PM   #9
kaldaniels
Viva la Rolen
 
kaldaniels's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 6,303
Re: Can Walt do no wrong?

Forget the "Walt can do no wrong" remark Doug. I'm interested how you would evaluate his tenure here on an overall basis. You loved the Latos deal, hated the Rolen deal...just looking for your general view of things.
kaldaniels is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2012, 07:51 PM   #10
edabbs44
Box of Frogs
 
edabbs44's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: NJ
Posts: 15,807
Re: Can Walt do no wrong?

Walt's a pro. Can he make a move or two that may not work out? Sure, everyone can and will. But GMs should be graded on the entire picture. And, from that angle, he has done a ton of right.
edabbs44 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2012, 07:59 PM   #11
traderumor
Unsolicited Opinions
 
traderumor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Right Down Broadway
Posts: 17,632
Re: Can Walt do no wrong?

He certainly has shown the ability to make significant, game changing transactions and has really been spotless in his choice of guys going the other way. He is trading for impact major league talent with prospects.

Left out of this analysis are pickups like Hoover and Simon, which were sweet moves that cost no talent, but brought talent into the organization.
__________________
Can't win with 'em

Can't win without 'em
traderumor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2012, 08:32 PM   #12
AmarilloRed
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Amarillo,Texas
Posts: 3,996
Re: Can Walt do no wrong?

It's way too early in his minor league career to say Torreyes won't stick in the majors.
AmarilloRed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-23-2012, 12:11 AM   #13
VR
Member
 
VR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Vancouver, Wa
Posts: 8,211
Re: Can Walt do no wrong?

He's done as good as any fan could ever hope for. Could he do better? Sure, but GM's aren't judged on going undefeated. Risks and rewards, and he's got a track record w/ the Reds that most teams would be thrilled to have.
__________________
“Our team is a team full of fighters. They never panic. We don't necessarily get all the hits we want all the time, but we find a way to win.” – Dusty Baker
VR is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-23-2012, 01:51 AM   #14
SirFelixCat
Member
 
SirFelixCat's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 5,671
Re: Can Walt do no wrong?

Not perfect, but I have to say that us, as Reds fans, sure should count our blessings to have a guy as good at his job as he is. Considering the lineage that he followed, he's been nothing short of a godsend for this team and us fans.
__________________
Resident Poker Pro
SirFelixCat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-23-2012, 03:24 AM   #15
Matt700wlw
Making sense of it all
 
Matt700wlw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 26,130
Re: Can Walt do no wrong?

Walt is the Chuck Norris of baseball
__________________
An excited shade of Red
Matt700wlw is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:52 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

Board Moderators may, at their discretion and judgment, delete and/or edit any messages that violate any of the following guidelines: 1. Explicit references to alleged illegal or unlawful acts. 2. Graphic sexual descriptions. 3. Racial or ethnic slurs. 4. Use of edgy language (including masked profanity). 5. Direct personal attacks, flames, fights, trolling, baiting, name-calling, general nuisance, excessive player criticism or anything along those lines. 6. Posting spam. 7. Each person may have only one user account. It is fine to be critical here - that's what this board is for. But let's not beat a subject or a player to death, please.

Thank you, and most importantly, enjoy yourselves!

RedsZone.com is a privately owned website and is not affiliated with the Cincinnati Reds or Major League Baseball

Contact us: Boss | GIK | dabvu2498 | GADawg | Gallen5862 | LexRedsFan | mattfeet | MBZags | Plus Plus | redsfan1995 | The Operator | Tommyjohn25