The Case For: Xavier Paul

[Scrap Irony]

Not many new topics on the board lately, so I thought we could go one by one, examining the case for (and against) each of the borderline guys for the 25-man roster. First up: Xavier Paul.

Highlights
Last season proved to be a very, very good one for the former Pirate and Dodger prospect. Paul hit well in AAA, then, after Jocketty picked him up for a pittance, as the Reds' fifth OF and primary LH PH. Paul hit, to the tune of an .844 OPS with patience and BA to boot.

And many of those hits were big. Baker typically used him late, to either pinch hit for Drew Stubbs or the pitcher. (At that point in the season, they were pretty much the same player offensively.)

The Case For:
1. He has a pedigree. Kind of.
It's not like Xavier Paul came out of nowhere. He put up decent to above average numbers for three years before struggling in his first extended major league test in 2011. He's got a minor league line that includes two 900+ OPS season and might have been the AAA MVP last year, had he stayed in Syracuse. A career minor league OPS of 817 isn't bad. Not bad at all.

2. He's versatile.
Paul, 27, plays all three OF positions, though he's not great at any of them. His minor league track record includes more games in CF than in RF or LF, but he's had enough experience at all of them to feel comfortable wherever he's put.

Speaking of, he's also versatile offensively. Paul's got some pop, most recently seen in his .465 slugging percentage last season in the majors. He's also got some speed, as his 23 SB (in 500 career ABs) attest. As a bench guy, he's got to be able to do more than one thing. And Paul has shown he can do just that.

3. He's produced already in the role.
Last season, Paul showed what he was capable of. He's patient at the plate (9 BBs in 96 PAs is exceptionally good, especially off the bench) and showed the hit tool as well.

4. He's young and cheap.
The Slidell native is just entering his prime, at age 27. He's also not likely to cost more than $500,000 or so and is under team control until 2017. He won't be arb-eligible until 2014. What's not to like there?

[Wonderful Monds]

I don't have much else to add except that I'm glad X-Man is on the team.

[mth123]

I think Paul is the cleasr 5th OF at this point, but with Choo and Bruce filling 2 spots, Ludwick being better against RHP than LHP and Hannahan now on the bench, the need for a lefty OFer on the bench is much less urgent. If Rolen decides to play, Paul would seem to be the odd man out.

[PuffyPig]

Originally Posted by mth123

.... Ludwick being better against RHP than LHP....

LUdwick has been better vs. LH pitching each of the last 2 years, so his lifetime splits may be a changing.

[Tom Servo]

I can't seem to find PH stats on baseball-reference, but he had to be our most effective PH last season, right?

[Kc61]

Originally Posted by mth123

I think Paul is the cleasr 5th OF at this point, but with Choo and Bruce filling 2 spots, Ludwick being better against RHP than LHP and Hannahan now on the bench, the need for a lefty OFer on the bench is much less urgent. If Rolen decides to play, Paul would seem to be the odd man out.

I think the Reds outfield as currently structured, has excellent lefty/righty balance. I would keep XPaul.

Heisey and Ludwick have hit righties better, but not last year. Both hit lefties better.

If Rolen comes back, which I doubt, the Reds will have an overload of players in the infield. I wouldn't remedy that by going short in the outfield.

Particularly with Choo playing out of position in CF, I'd want my full compliment of five outfielders.

[mth123]

Originally Posted by Kc61

I think the Reds outfield as currently structured, has excellent lefty/righty balance. I would keep XPaul.

Heisey and Ludwick have hit righties better, but not last year. Both hit lefties better.

If Rolen comes back, which I doubt, the Reds will have an overload of players in the infield. I wouldn't remedy that by going short in the outfield.

Particularly with Choo playing out of position in CF, I'd want my full compliment of five outfielders.

Somewhat agree, but Todd Frazier moving to an OF spot against LHP with Bruce or Choo resting and Rolen at 3B might be a better fit. I don't see much PT for Paul unless there is an injury. Keeping guys as a pure PH is a crapshoot. I'd say Heisey will be the primary back-up at all three spots and Frazier's versatility might make Paul the odd man out if Rolen returns. I can't see Donald or Hannahan being cut loose. They'll probably just make good use fo the DL and keep them all around.

[RedsManRick]

Case against:

- 28 years old, 507 PA, .259/.305/.364, .326 BABIP, 6% BB, 21% K, 23 SB/ 10 CS
- Being able to a position, but to only play it poorly, calls in to question the usefulness of saying a guy can play a position. Jay Bruce could play SS poorly. I get the point, but still, being able to play somewhere without embarrassing yourself is a pretty low bar.

He's basically the textbook definition of replacement level. That's not a bad thing. I'm totally cool with him as our 5th OF. I just don't see anything to get excited about.
Like many that came before him, he's a guy that can be a 25th man

[Kc61]

Originally Posted by mth123

Somewhat agree, but Todd Frazier moving to an OF spot against LHP with Bruce or Choo resting and Rolen at 3B might be a better fit. I don't see much PT for Paul unless there is an injury. Keeping guys as a pure PH is a crapshoot. I'd say Heisey will be the primary back-up at all three spots and Frazier's versatility might make Paul the odd man out if Rolen returns. I can't see Donald or Hannahan being cut loose. They'll probably just make good use fo the DL and keep them all around.

Frazier will never be a good third baseman if he keeps getting moved around the diamond. We're no longer talking about Todd as a backup. If he's the primary third baseman, left field should be eliminated from his vocabulary unless it is an emergency situation.

Paul gives the Reds a lefty pinch hitter and a guy who can fill in against righties as a corner outfielder.

As for Rolen, I don't think he's returning. Even if he goes to spring training I think he will drop out before the season. If he does return, perhaps his spot will come from an injury. I would count on a bench of Hannahan, Donald, Paul, Heisey, and Mesoraco (or Hanigan).

[mth123]

Originally Posted by Kc61

Frazier will never be a good third baseman if he keeps getting moved around the diamond. We're no longer talking about Todd as a backup. If he's the primary third baseman, left field should be eliminated from his vocabulary unless it is an emergency situation.

Paul gives the Reds a lefty pinch hitter and a guy who can fill in against righties as a corner outfielder.

As for Rolen, I don't think he's returning. Even if he goes to spring training I think he will drop out before the season. If he does return, perhaps his spot will come from an injury. I would count on a bench of Hannahan, Donald, Paul, Heisey, and Mesoraco (or Hanigan).

As I originally said, as of now, Paul is clearly the 25th man, but if Rolen decides to play, the Reds will make a spot and Paul seems the clear odd man out.

This brings up a whole topic I've been thinking about starting a thread on. Hamilton is the CF of the future when Choo leaves, but the next opeining will be LF after Ludwick goes. IMO, that is Frazier's long term position. I think H-Rod, Vidal, Mejias Brean or maybe Mattair at 3B with Frazier shifting is the more likely plan. I think the Reds are actually on record as saying they think Frazier's best spot is LF and he's the 3B more out of need at this point.

If the Reds have Rolen and Hannahan, I don't think they are going to worry about Frazier's development at 3B. He seems to be a stopgap there IMO. Frazier will play 3B most of the time to get his bat in the line-up, but if moving him around allows the Reds to play Rolen or Hannahan instead of Paul when somebody in the OF or Votto needs a day off, I think they'll move him around.

[Nathan]

Originally Posted by Tom Servo

I can't seem to find PH stats on baseball-reference, but he had to be our most effective PH last season, right?

He was 12/36 1 HR, 2 RBI's. (It's in the "More Stats" tab). Where that'd rank him, I don't know, but that seems pretty good. It was by far his best performance as a pinch hitter in his career.

[DGullett35]

I like Paul on the team. IMO Id rather have him than Rolen. With Hannahan and Frazier I just dont see where Scotty would fit in. I love what he brings to the clubhouse and Im a big believer in chemistry and such but it comes to a point about results and the X-man put up good enough numbers last year to warrant a spot on this roster for 2013. Every team needs a Lenny Harris type player and Paul can be that for this team.

[11BarryLarkin11]

Originally Posted by RedsManRick

Case against:

- 28 years old, 507 PA, .259/.305/.364, .326 BABIP, 6% BB, 21% K, 23 SB/ 10 CS
- Being able to a position, but to only play it poorly, calls in to question the usefulness of saying a guy can play a position. Jay Bruce could play SS poorly. I get the point, but still, being able to play somewhere without embarrassing yourself is a pretty low bar.

He's basically the textbook definition of replacement level. That's not a bad thing. I'm totally cool with him as our 5th OF. I just don't see anything to get excited about.
Like many that came before him, he's a guy that can be a 25th man

Yeah, I'm not sure there's enough evidence out there for us to feel confident with the notion that he can play center field. I know I've never seen him play center. At the MLB level, he's logged only 53.1 innings in center and zero out there for the Reds last year.

He was rated the 23rd best prospect by Baseball America in 2008, which included the blurb "He can handle all three outfield positions, but his speed and plus arm profile best in right field."

At this point, his ability to play an effective center field is, at best, an open question.

[goreds2]

I like Xavier Paul as a 4th/5th outfielder. Nice left handed bat although as history shows, it is difficult to have two straight years as a .300 pinch hitter.

[M2]

As of right now, Paul is the team's top LH PH. I'd even list him as the 4th OF instead of the 5th, mainly because he can spell Ludwick vs. tough RHPs. He hit all the way up the ladder in the minors too.

As for his defense, seems competent enough in LF and I wouldn't freak out if they played him in CF on occasion. I would recommend putting absolutely no stock in his defensive metrics in that his sample size is exceedingly small and he's never played a single position in the majors with any regularity.

He should be a lock for the 25-man and he'll be around as long as he keeps producing. In other words, it's his job to lose.