Chris Carpenter likely out for 2013.

[Salukifan2]

Originally Posted by westofyou

Don't worry the Reds will make you take notice of them after awhile... KC?? Jeez that's not a rivalry, that's like me beating my brother in wiffle ball for a good part of his life

Thats wat the cards vs reds "rivalry" was for more than a decade

[PuffyPig]

Originally Posted by MikeThierry

I'm sorry for having a differing opinion. Lets all get together, hold hands, and share in the same thought process...

Everyone now:

Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbaya

[MikeThierry]

Originally Posted by westofyou

Until recently... in most of our lifetimes.

The 1880's big rivals
The 1920's Rivals
The late 30's early 40's rivals
Early to mid 60's rivals.

Division play and Augie Busch's insistence that he be in the same division as the Cubs (EAST though both are west of Cincinnati) created the world that we recall as being recent.

The Reds, from a Cardinals fan perspective, did not become a heated rival with the Cardinals until 2010ish. Prior to that, it's always been a team that we just played without any real angst towards it. Until 2010, they were on the low end of the rival scale, at least in Cardinals fans eyes. That might sound smug but it's true.

[westofyou]

Originally Posted by Salukifan2

Thats wat the cards vs reds "rivalry" was for more than a decade

Well balance is nice thing... we barely knew they existed in the 70's

[Strikes Out Looking]

As long as the Cards try to nip at the heels of the contending NL Central champs there will be a strong rivalry. Of course, without a healthy Carpenter and possibly Garcia, maybe the Cardinals and the Cubs can reignite their rivalry in the basement.

[MikeThierry]

Originally Posted by westofyou

Well balance is nice thing... we barely knew they existed in the 70's

mehh... a baseball club is allowed to have a bad decade, right?

[traderumor]

Originally Posted by MikeThierry

Sorry to say it but the Reds until very recently have not been a rival with the Cardinals. I wouldn't say, however, that KC was a rival either though. When I first came to this board, I was shocked at the angst for the Cardinals here. I didn't know that it has been like that for years as most Cards fans didn't.

Too arrogant to recognize a rivalry I guess? Who could possibly be at the level of the team representing the greatest baseball city in the world, after all. There is enjoyment in snickering at the lowly Cubs, though, right?

[MikeThierry]

Originally Posted by Strikes Out Looking

As long as the Cards try to nip at the heels of the contending NL Central champs there will be a strong rivalry. Of course, without a healthy Carpenter and possibly Garcia, maybe the Cardinals and the Cubs can reignite their rivalry in the basement.

Again.. we didn't have those two pitchers last year and they were one game away from the World Series. I don't think they will have a problem being competitive this year.

[757690]

Originally Posted by MikeThierry

Really? Because that was pretty much the contending rotation of last season. You forget that both Lynn and Kelly were rookies last year and Garcia was out for a good chunk of the year along with Carpenter. They still have the ability to outslug teams as well.

Same rotation, except for their Cy Young candidate Kyle Lohse.

[MikeThierry]

Originally Posted by traderumor

Too arrogant to recognize a rivalry I guess? Who could possibly be at the level of the team representing the greatest baseball city in the world, after all. There is enjoyment in snickering at the lowly Cubs, though, right?

Not, it's not arrogance. There was never hate there, at least from Cardinals fans perspectives for the Reds to be a heated rival. For most of this past decade or so the Reds were never really in contention for a division title. As Seluki explained, the Astros were more of a rival as of late than the Reds.

[MikeThierry]

Maybe I'm not explaining myself here properly. From a Reds fans perspective, the Cardinals may have been a heated rival for years. From a Cards fan perspective, the Reds were never a heated rival until they started to compete for division titles.

[joshua]

I hated Larussa and Carpenter, but don't hate the Cardinals as a whole. With both of those whiners out of St Louis, my disdain has 100% shifted towards the Pirates. I hope Chapman plunks everyone in that lineup with a vengeance.

[bigredmechanism]

Originally Posted by MikeThierry

By question here is who will be the go to target now for you all? TLR and Carpenter is gone. I guess Molina can be another source of angst but are you really going to go after Jon Jay or Daniel Descalso?

I would like to hate Yadier Molina. I really would. The problem I have is that he is just a fantastic player.

I'll find someone to hate, I just need a little more time.

[Superdude]

Originally Posted by MikeThierry

Maybe I'm not explaining myself here properly. From a Reds fans perspective, the Cardinals may have been a heated rival for years. From a Cards fan perspective, the Reds were never a heated rival until they started to compete for division titles.

Historical rivalries are overrated. Players change and teams drop in and out of relevance. Call it a big rivalry if you want, but I don't think Molina's getting all fired up about heading to Wrigley.

[MikeThierry]

Originally Posted by 757690

Same rotation, except for their Cy Young candidate Kyle Lohse.

It's not out of the question that the Cards resign Lohse now that this news hit. Plus I expect Wainwright to be better, two years removed from injury and I expect both Kelly and Lynn to be better in their second year in the majors.