Indiana 2011-2012 and 2012-2013 Basketball

[Assembly Hall]

Originally Posted by Hoosier Red

To Boston Red's point, i do think the B1G's toughness this year has been overstated a bit.

The top 5 are obviously legit. Then there's a drop off to Illinois and Minnesota. The latter of whom is playing there way on the NCAA bubble. And then the bottom drops out.

I don't know that there's been a time when the top 4 or 5 teams were any tougher than now. (And it's worth mentioning IU is currently 4-1 against UM, tOSU, Wisconsin, and tMSU)

But there have definitely been years where the middle and bottom of the B1G were much more robust.

Whoaa. Hang on there a tad. As of now the middle is looking pretty dang good. That would be teams 5-8 in the standings. 8 is Minnesota who are playing their way off the bubble. If anything Nebraska and Penn State are the bottom feeders.

Lest we not forget Illinois not only beat IU.......but they won at Gonzaga and beat Butler in Hawaii.

And what about Iowa?

[Revering4Blue]

Originally Posted by Assembly Hall

Whoaa. Hang on there a tad. As of now the middle is looking pretty dang good. That would be teams 5-8 in the standings. 8 is Minnesota who are playing their way off the bubble. If anything Nebraska and Penn State are the bottom feeders.

Lest we not forget Illinois not only beat IU.......but they won at Gonzaga and beat Butler in Hawaii.

And what about Iowa?

Not to mention that Northwestern - which lost three significant contributors for the season - and Penn State - which lost potential All Big Ten PG Tim Frazier for the season - wouldn't be gimmes at all if healthy.

I agree with you about Iowa as the wild card.

I also agree with you about the tourney as the ultimate "report card." But if the tourney games are officiated ACC style - very little physicality allowed - Big Ten and, for that matter, Big East teams could be in trouble.

[Hoosier Red]

Originally Posted by Assembly Hall

Whoaa. Hang on there a tad. As of now the middle is looking pretty dang good. That would be teams 5-8 in the standings. 8 is Minnesota who are playing their way off the bubble. If anything Nebraska and Penn State are the bottom feeders.

Lest we not forget Illinois not only beat IU.......but they won at Gonzaga and beat Butler in Hawaii.

And what about Iowa?

Well like I said, top 5 you'll get no argument. Very strong.

Breakdown everyone else.
#6 Illinois- Very inconsistent. Beaten IU, Gonzaga and Butler. Lost to Northwestern and Purdue.

#7 Iowa- Meh. No real great teams they've beaten, but haven't lost to anyone below them either.

#8 Minnesota- Started 15-1, 3-7 since. Lost the last two games by 21 and 27 points.


I guess you could say that Northwestern and Penn State would be better without injuries, but that's the point. The lower level teams are either too injured, too inexperienced, or too pathetic to put a fight up to the upper level teams.

TMBS, the B1G is still the best conference this year. But there have definitely been years where it's been a much deeper and tougher conference.

[Razor Shines]

Originally Posted by Hoosier Red

Well like I said, top 5 you'll get no argument. Very strong.

Breakdown everyone else.
#6 Illinois- Very inconsistent. Beaten IU, Gonzaga and Butler. Lost to Northwestern and Purdue.

#7 Iowa- Meh. No real great teams they've beaten, but haven't lost to anyone below them either.

#8 Minnesota- Started 15-1, 3-7 since. Lost the last two games by 21 and 27 points.


I guess you could say that Northwestern and Penn State would be better without injuries, but that's the point. The lower level teams are either too injured, too inexperienced, or too pathetic to put a fight up to the upper level teams.

TMBS, the B1G is still the best conference this year. But there have definitely been years where it's been a much deeper and tougher conference.

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[Assembly Hall]

Hoosier, I suppose alot of people would call it "top heavy" 1-5. But I dont want to play at Illinois, Iowa, or Minnesota. 8 of the 12 are dang fine teams at this point. I would take Minnesota over any team that is 3rd in their conference in the rest of America on a neutral floor.

[Hoosier Red]

I feel this way about Redszone. A lot.

[joshnky]

Originally Posted by Assembly Hall

Hoosier, I suppose alot of people would call it "top heavy" 1-5. But I dont want to play at Illinois, Iowa, or Minnesota. 8 of the 12 are dang fine teams at this point. I would take Minnesota over any team that is 3rd in their conference in the rest of America on a neutral floor.

So, you'd take Minnesota over Louisville, Marquette, or Arizona? I think your bias is clouding your judgement. Indiana game aside Minnesota hasn't played well since entering conference play and was moving towards the bubble before that win. They're not very good.

[Assembly Hall]

Originally Posted by joshnky

So, you'd take Minnesota over Louisville, Marquette, or Arizona? I think your bias is clouding your judgement. Indiana game aside Minnesota hasn't played well since entering conference play and was moving towards the bubble before that win. They're not very good.

There is a reason they moved into the top ten. Bias aside, I dont want to play the Gophers.

[joshnky]

Originally Posted by Assembly Hall

There is a reason they moved into the top ten. Bias aside, I dont want to play the Gophers.

That was before they lost just about every big ten game.

I would be happy if Louisville was matched up with Minnesota at some point in the tournament.

[Assembly Hall]

Originally Posted by joshnky

That was before they lost just about every big ten game.

I would be happy if Louisville was matched up with Minnesota at some point in the tournament.

You dont want to play them, even on a neutral floor. Bad match up for the Cards. The pieces are there, they just havent shown too well in the B1G.

[Chip R]

How IU started wearing the candy striped warmups.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-...tml#more-19322

[Hoosier Red]

Good find Chip. That's awesome.

[redsfanmia]

20 years is too long, finally a Big "ten" championship!

[Assembly Hall]

Originally Posted by redsfanmia

20 years is too long, finally a Big "ten" championship!

I hear ya loud and clear.

[Simon Rhymon]

After what Sampson did to the program, Crean was the right guy at the right time. Great reward for what he did to bring IU back.