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lollipopcurve · 02-22-2013, 09:16 AM

I'm a Lamarre fan. Excellent athlete with a pretty high ceiling, IMO.

RedsManRick · 02-22-2013, 12:08 PM

Haven't we seen this movie before?
- Super athletic college CF
- Puts up mediocre minor league numbers
- Speed is his best tool
- Poor contact hitter, but can take a walk
- Middling power numbers, but people insist the potential is there
- Numbers buoyed by what is likely an unsustainable high BABIP

Code:

Stubbs
Year	Age	Level		PA	AVG	OBP	SLG	BB	K	ISO	BABIP	SB
2006	21	R		252	.252	.368	.400	13%	25%	.148	.333	19
2007	22	A		575	.270	.364	.421	12%	25%	.151	.354	23
2008	23	A+/AA/AAA	548	.276	.371	.417	12%	22%	.140	.358	33
2009	24	AAA		472	.268	.353	.360	11%	22%	.092	.350	46
Total				1847	.269	.364	.401	12%	23%	.132	.351   121

LaMarre
Year	Age	Level		PA	AVG	OBP	SLG	BB	K	ISO	BABIP	SB
2010	21	A/A+		292	.276	.361	.397	8%	20%	.122	.333	19
2011	22	A+/AA		522	.276	.348	.368	9%	19%	.091	.336	55
2012	23	AA		558	.263	.356	.353	11%	21%	.089	.339	30
Total				1372	.271	.354	.368	9%	20%	.097	.337   104

LaMarre makes a bit more contact, but walks less and hits for less power. Looks like a future 4th/5th OF to me.

Steve4192 · 02-22-2013, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedsManRick

Haven't we seen this movie before?
- Super athletic college CF
- Puts up mediocre minor league numbers
- Speed is his best tool
- Poor contact hitter, but can take a walk
- Middling power numbers, but people insist the potential is there
- Numbers buoyed by what is likely an unsustainable high BABIP

Code:

Stubbs
Year	Age	Level		PA	AVG	OBP	SLG	BB	K	ISO	BABIP	SB
2006	21	R		252	.252	.368	.400	13%	25%	.148	.333	19
2007	22	A		575	.270	.364	.421	12%	25%	.151	.354	23
2008	23	A+/AA/AAA	548	.276	.371	.417	12%	22%	.140	.358	33
2009	24	AAA		472	.268	.353	.360	11%	22%	.092	.350	46
Total				1847	.269	.364	.401	12%	23%	.132	.351   121

LaMarre
Year	Age	Level		PA	AVG	OBP	SLG	BB	K	ISO	BABIP	SB
2010	21	A/A+		292	.276	.361	.397	8%	20%	.122	.333	19
2011	22	A+/AA		522	.276	.348	.368	9%	19%	.091	.336	55
2012	23	AA		558	.263	.356	.353	11%	21%	.089	.339	30
Total				1372	.271	.354	.368	9%	20%	.097	.337   104

LaMarre makes a bit more contact, but walks less and hits for less power. Looks like a future 4th/5th OF to me.

I'd be thrilled if Lamarre turned into another Drew Stubbs.

People forget how good Stubbs was his first couple of years in Cincinnati. If Lamarre turns into 2009-2010 Stubbs, he is would be an upper echelon MLB starter. If he turns into 2011 Stubbs, he would be a slightly above average starter. Even if he turns into 2012 Stubbs, he'd still be a decent 4th/5th OF.

Having your #20 prospect turn into Drew Stubbs is something to rejoice over, not to something to bemoan.

Superdude · 02-22-2013, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve4192

I'd be thrilled if Lamarre turned into another Drew Stubbs.

People forget how good Stubbs was his first couple of years in Cincinnati. If Lamarre turns into 2009-2010 Stubbs, he is would be an upper echelon MLB starter. If he turns into 2011 Stubbs, he would be a slightly above average starter. Even if he turns into 2012 Stubbs, he'd still be a decent 4th/5th OF.

Having your #20 prospect turn into Drew Stubbs is something to rejoice over, not to something to bemoan.

When Stubbs was useful, he had a .100 point advantage over Lamarre in isoP. Lamarre could be very good, but it's all hinging on whether or not he can add quite a bit of power without ballooning his K rate IMO. With the skills he's got now, I can't see him being anything other than wholly underwhelming on the offensive side.

Steve4192 · 02-22-2013, 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superdude

When Stubbs was useful, he had a .100 point advantage over Lamarre in isoP. Lamarre could be very good, but it's all hinging on whether or not he can add quite a bit of power without ballooning his K rate IMO. With the skills he's got now, I can't see him being anything other than wholly underwhelming on the offensive side.

As RedsManRick pointed out, Lamarre's contact skills are better than Stubbs. If Lamarre can offset Stubbs advantage in IsoP with a better OBP, he can be plenty useful.

757690 · 02-22-2013, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedsManRick

Haven't we seen this movie before?
- Super athletic college CF
- Puts up mediocre minor league numbers
- Speed is his best tool
- Poor contact hitter, but can take a walk
- Middling power numbers, but people insist the potential is there
- Numbers buoyed by what is likely an unsustainable high BABIP

Code:

Stubbs
Year	Age	Level		PA	AVG	OBP	SLG	BB	K	ISO	BABIP	SB
2006	21	R		252	.252	.368	.400	13%	25%	.148	.333	19
2007	22	A		575	.270	.364	.421	12%	25%	.151	.354	23
2008	23	A+/AA/AAA	548	.276	.371	.417	12%	22%	.140	.358	33
2009	24	AAA		472	.268	.353	.360	11%	22%	.092	.350	46
Total				1847	.269	.364	.401	12%	23%	.132	.351   121

LaMarre
Year	Age	Level		PA	AVG	OBP	SLG	BB	K	ISO	BABIP	SB
2010	21	A/A+		292	.276	.361	.397	8%	20%	.122	.333	19
2011	22	A+/AA		522	.276	.348	.368	9%	19%	.091	.336	55
2012	23	AA		558	.263	.356	.353	11%	21%	.089	.339	30
Total				1372	.271	.354	.368	9%	20%	.097	.337   104

LaMarre makes a bit more contact, but walks less and hits for less power. Looks like a future 4th/5th OF to me.

Nice work. Completely agree. However, I think if Stubbs was used as a 4th outfield, back up CF, he would excell. I'm hoping the same for LaMarre. Having a #2 draft pick turn into a solid role player is a very good thing.

Scrap Irony · 02-22-2013, 06:58 PM

I'll be happy with LaMarre if he becomes a fourth OF/ spot starter in CF. I suspect he'll add some power in Louisville (should he end up there) because it's a much better offensive park than Pennsacola. Should he go .270/.350/.425, he'd be a mighty fine LFer to pair with Hamilton, though.

Imagine that OF defensively. Imagine the HAVOK(!) it would cause on the basepaths to have two 50+ SB guys at the top of the order.

Having said that, I don't know if LaMarre is even capable of providing that power. He was supposed to have above average pop coming out of Michigan, but looks like a weak stick in person and just as bad over the course of the year statistically.

dougdirt · 02-22-2013, 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrap Irony

I'll be happy with LaMarre if he becomes a fourth OF/ spot starter in CF. I suspect he'll add some power in Louisville (should he end up there) because it's a much better offensive park than Pennsacola. Should he go .270/.350/.425, he'd be a mighty fine LFer to pair with Hamilton, though.

You are severely mistaken in saying Louisville is more offensive than Pensacola. Pensacola, at least last year, was insanely hitter friendly. Louisville leans toward being pitcher friendly.

Scrap Irony · 02-22-2013, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dougdirt

You are severely mistaken in saying Louisville is more offensive than Pensacola. Pensacola, at least last year, was insanely hitter friendly. Louisville leans toward being pitcher friendly.

Really???

I thought Pennsacola was seriously pitcher-friendly.

dougdirt · 02-22-2013, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrap Irony

Really???

I thought Pennsacola was seriously pitcher-friendly.

I did this back in October.... but Pensacola boosted power at incredible levels.

http://redsminorleagues.com/2012/10/...me-parks-play/

757690 · 03-03-2013, 05:34 PM

I hope he makes the majors so when the Reds play San Diego, and Chase Headley flies out to him, I can write on my scorecard... Headley-Lamarre.

Steve4192 · 03-03-2013, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 757690

I hope he makes the majors so when the Reds play San Diego, and Chase Headley flies out to him, I can write on my scorecard... Headley-Lamarre.

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OGB · 03-04-2013, 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 757690

I hope he makes the majors so when the Reds play San Diego, and Chase Headley flies out to him, I can write on my scorecard... Headley-Lamarre.

Kinky!

02-22-2013, 09:16 AM	#16
lollipopcurve Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Shelburne Falls, MA Posts: 9,477	Re: Why Ryan Lamarre will succeed... I'm a Lamarre fan. Excellent athlete with a pretty high ceiling, IMO. __________________ "Baseball is a very, very complex business. It's more of a people business than most businesses." - Bob Castellini

02-22-2013, 12:08 PM	#17
RedsManRick Stat Wanker Hodiernus Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 14,913	Re: Why Ryan Lamarre will succeed... Haven't we seen this movie before? - Super athletic college CF - Puts up mediocre minor league numbers - Speed is his best tool - Poor contact hitter, but can take a walk - Middling power numbers, but people insist the potential is there - Numbers buoyed by what is likely an unsustainable high BABIP Code: Stubbs Year Age Level PA AVG OBP SLG BB K ISO BABIP SB 2006 21 R 252 .252 .368 .400 13% 25% .148 .333 19 2007 22 A 575 .270 .364 .421 12% 25% .151 .354 23 2008 23 A+/AA/AAA 548 .276 .371 .417 12% 22% .140 .358 33 2009 24 AAA 472 .268 .353 .360 11% 22% .092 .350 46 Total 1847 .269 .364 .401 12% 23% .132 .351 121 LaMarre Year Age Level PA AVG OBP SLG BB K ISO BABIP SB 2010 21 A/A+ 292 .276 .361 .397 8% 20% .122 .333 19 2011 22 A+/AA 522 .276 .348 .368 9% 19% .091 .336 55 2012 23 AA 558 .263 .356 .353 11% 21% .089 .339 30 Total 1372 .271 .354 .368 9% 20% .097 .337 104 LaMarre makes a bit more contact, but walks less and hits for less power. Looks like a future 4th/5th OF to me. __________________ Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance. Last edited by RedsManRick; 02-22-2013 at 12:12 PM.

02-22-2013, 06:58 PM	#22
Scrap Irony Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Bedford, KY Posts: 8,992	Re: Why Ryan Lamarre will succeed... I'll be happy with LaMarre if he becomes a fourth OF/ spot starter in CF. I suspect he'll add some power in Louisville (should he end up there) because it's a much better offensive park than Pennsacola. Should he go .270/.350/.425, he'd be a mighty fine LFer to pair with Hamilton, though. Imagine that OF defensively. Imagine the HAVOK(!) it would cause on the basepaths to have two 50+ SB guys at the top of the order. Having said that, I don't know if LaMarre is even capable of providing that power. He was supposed to have above average pop coming out of Michigan, but looks like a weak stick in person and just as bad over the course of the year statistically. __________________ "You can learn little from victory. You can learn everything from defeat." -- Christy Matthewson "Show me a good loser and I'll show you an idiot." -- Leo Durocher

03-03-2013, 05:34 PM	#26
757690 Hoping to be 75769013 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Dayton Posts: 6,095	Re: Why Ryan Lamarre will succeed... I hope he makes the majors so when the Reds play San Diego, and Chase Headley flies out to him, I can write on my scorecard... Headley-Lamarre. __________________ We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them. - Albert Einstein

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