Led Zeppelin reunion???

[redsfanmia]

Originally Posted by Dom Heffner

No- he's living with a different female musician.

Patty Griffen

[westofyou]

Originally Posted by redsfanmia

Patty Griffen

She's awesome

[Revering4Blue]

Rock music doesn't chart anymore.

Au contraire.

http://www.americasmusiccharts.com/index.cgi?fmt=R5

http://www.billboard.com/charts/rock-songs

*mainstream* rock music was buried 10 years ago

If by *Mainstream Rock* you mean Rage Against The Machine, Limp Bizkit and the like, you're correct. And it couldn't have died soon enough for me.

All kidding aside, my definition of *Mainstream Rock* - and most, if not all, Generation Xrs seem to agree with me - encompasses what is today four rock radio formats: alternative rock, mainstream rock and (Adult Album Alternative) triple A and, of course classic rock. You rarely, if ever, get them all today on one terrestrial radio station.

But I do agree with your point that there is still a lot of great Rock music out there, including much of the same type of Rock that Dom and I grew up with. But the methods of locating it all have changed.

In short, you're assertion of a Golden Age of music - even confining it to Rock - has merit, IMO. There is literally something for every sub-genred Rock taste. I'm certainly not going to turn up my nose at Modern Rock. Plus, many Rock bands are staging recording comebacks. No reason Led Zeppelin shouldn't be one of them.

[*BaseClogger*]

Originally Posted by Dom Heffner

Don't Stop Believin' outsells most current stuff. I dunno...how golden is it if nobody is listening?

And I know someone is going to point out that sales don't mean anything, but they do to a certain degree because it measures audience.

It's the Dinsoaur, Jr thing: it's supposedly awesome, nobody knows who they are (I quite like them, incidentally).

I've been reading that Grantland series I linked to earlier in the thread, and the fifth part on Metallica had a fact that just blew me away:

The Black Album sold 110,000 copies in 2012 alone, which is better than all but a handful of contemporary rock bands.

It's not unfair to point out that sales don't mean anything anymore though, Dom. People don't consume music in the same format as they did 20 years ago. Album sales as a whole are significantly down. If the music industry is lucky, people buy songs one at a time online. Most of them are pirated. Others are like me, and consume 90% of their music through online streaming services like Spotify (those don't show up in record sales).

So why is it a Golden Age? Because for $10 per month, I have at my fingertips all music that was ever recorded, including from your beloved 1960s and 1970s, in addition to an infinite amount of music being recorded today. Anybody can record their music. There are no barriers. How awesome is that?

[*BaseClogger*]

Originally Posted by Dom Heffner

I do see the point of reliving glory years, though Zeppelin hasn't done it ever, so it;s not like they are just beating a dead horse. They aren't the Beach Boys touring every year....

For me, this is a completely different situation. To each his own!

That's fair enough. I like Zep and would love to see them perform!

[Dom Heffner]

Originally Posted by *BaseClogger*

I've been reading that Grantland series I linked to earlier in the thread, and the fifth part on Metallica had a fact that just blew me away:



It's not unfair to point out that sales don't mean anything anymore though, Dom. People don't consume music in the same format as they did 20 years ago. Album sales as a whole are significantly down. If the music industry is lucky, people buy songs one at a time online. Most of them are pirated. Others are like me, and consume 90% of their music through online streaming services like Spotify (those don't show up in record sales).

So why is it a Golden Age? Because for $10 per month, I have at my fingertips all music that was ever recorded, including from your beloved 1960s and 1970s, in addition to an infinite amount of music being recorded today. Anybody can record their music. There are no barriers. How awesome is that?

Without question, the manner in which we consume music has its advantages.

The fact remains that much of the older stuff sells just as much as the newer stuff. Go to iTunes, click charts, click rock. People buy the older stuff. And I'm not sure we can say that newer music is consumed differently so this is not a significant point.

By no means do I want to get into a taste contest with you- if this is golden for you, it's golden for you.

And for the record- Zeppelin was just a tad before me. Hated them.

I say this only to point out that they played very little role in my glory days. Duran Duran would have fit that bill for me.

But really listening to Zeppelin has convinced me the golden age was just before I was born. That's my taste, of course. It took getting older to realize Peter Cetera really did ruin Chicago.

Having said that, today's music may be all that and a toaster for you, and I am not trying to take that away from anyone.

I remember in my younger days arguing the hair bands were better than AC/DC. They aren't, of course, but they were for me then.

[*BaseClogger*]

I spend every eight hour workday listening to Spotify, and typically I will hear five to ten new bands each of those days. I start with my favorites and dig more and more into obscurity. Sometimes, I find something in this pile that I am absolutely blown away by. For instance, a couple weeks ago I discovered this band:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctUsCIrIsq4

How much fun does that look?

My question then is, really, how would I have discovered this song in the supposed Golden Era for rock music, the 1960s and 1970s? I wouldn't have. This band, from Scranton, PA, would have played a few of these awesome gigs in their hometown, never gotten the publicity necessary for me to become aware of their existence, and dissolved. There's no way they would have gotten a record deal because, as I'm fully aware, they don't have mass appeal. Hell, you can say that song sucked and I wouldn't be offended. It just happens to perfectly match *my* tastes. And that's what is so cool about this era--I can find as much music as I desire that matches my specific tastes...

[westofyou]

Originally Posted by *BaseClogger*

I spend every eight hour workday listening to Spotify, and typically I will hear five to ten new bands each of those days. I start with my favorites and dig more and more into obscurity. Sometimes, I find something in this pile that I am absolutely blown away by. For instance, a couple weeks ago I discovered this band:


My question then is, really, how would I have discovered this song in the supposed Golden Era for rock music, the 1960s and 1970s? I wouldn't have. This band, from Scranton, PA, would have played a few of these awesome gigs in their hometown, never gotten the publicity necessary for me to become aware of their existence, and dissolved. There's no way they would have gotten a record deal because, as I'm fully aware, they don't have mass appeal. Hell, you can say that song sucked and I wouldn't be offended. It just happens to perfectly match *my* tastes. And that's what is so cool about this era--I can find as much music as I desire that matches my specific tastes...

Radio used to be a much more vibrant and diversified format on the FM dial, much, much, much more.

Once upon a time playlists were unique to each DJ and suits didn't own the turntable

[*BaseClogger*]

Originally Posted by westofyou

Radio used to be a much more vibrant and diversified format on the FM dial, much, much, much more.

Once upon a time playlists were unique to each DJ and suits didn't own the turntable

I don't disagree with any of that. But taking it one step further: how would they have gotten recorded and distributed?

[marcshoe]

Originally Posted by redsfanmia

Patty Griffen

Seriously? I love Patty Griffin.

[GAC]

Next to the Beatles, they're my 2nd All-time favorite rock band. But that's in pretty good company I'd say.

I've not only got every one of their albums, including various bootlegs, but about a year ago got on youtube and downloaded, transferred the audio to CD, a lot of old live stuff I've never heard.

Led Zeppelin I is simply one of the greatest rock n roll blues albums ever released, and it should be in everyone's collection. Dazed and Confused! Wow!

Originally Posted by Dom Heffner

I was explaining to someone the other day why Jimmy Page is the greatest guitarist of all time: because he makes you want to sing along to guitar riffs. You can't do that to Eddie Van Halen. You don't do that to Hendrix.

If Chip is reading this thread he'll verify a situation a few years ago in a local Cincy bar, after a Red's game, where I got in a lively discussion with a bartender over who is the greatest rock guitarist. He was a Hendrix guy, I'm Page. I guess it always boils down to personal preference, Everyone has that one who really grabbed hold of them, knocked them over the head when they heard them. And with me it has always been Page.

Over these many years I've had friends who were musicians, played in bands, and I'd always bring that question up. And pretty much every one of them told me that Page was a GOOD guitarist, but a better producer (one of the best). Several would say he was too "undisciplined", sloppy playing live. I saw it as shear rawness. His playing captivated me.

I hope this happens for the sake of seeing something like this with my own eyes- just something to make me, for one night, think about how music used to be so awesome and something to look forward to. Someone convince Robert Plant that this is bigger than him. Please.

Did you happen to see them on Letterman abut a month ago? Pretty neat.

Looks like Page is going on tour this year...... http://ultimateclassicrock.com/jimmy...013-solo-tour/

If he comes anywhere near here I'll be there!

Has anyone ever heard is 1988 solo album Outrider? I never have, and need to find it.

[GAC]

Originally Posted by Dom Heffner

I read where he did the guitar work on Tom Jones' "She's a Lady." Tough to confirm as he is pretty private on his session work but man, what a cool dude.

That's true. He also played on Tom Jones' "It's Not Unusual" too, as well as the Who's "I Can't Explain", and a few Kink songs. He was a very sought-after studio guitarist in the early-mid 1960's. My brother bought me two CDs where he was the session guitarist on various early (and forgettable) 60's bands....

Jimmy Page In-Session: A Look at the Guitar Legend’s Pre-Zeppelin Studio Work

http://www2.gibson.com/News-Lifestyl...page-0511.aspx

Led Zeppelin trivia: A few hit songs you never knew Jimmy Page played on .... http://www.examiner.com/article/led-...G-Survey-Close

Dom - you might enjoy the Yardbird's performing "Dazed and Confused" (with Page) at the bottom of the article.

[GAC]

Music is generational. What I mean by that is not that one generation can't enjoy another generation's music; but that each generation's likes to have something that's"theirs", that identifies them. My Dad was a HUGE Big Band Era freak. Loved Glenn Miller. With me, I'm still trapped in the 60s/70s. And that's fine with me. I really can't identify at all with any of "today's" music, and really don't know a majority of what's out there, other then what I hear my kids listening to. And I'm not impressed, but again - it's their generation.

But my kids, love my music. They've been exposed to it because I play CDs whenever we're in the car. I'm not a big radio listener. They especially love the Beatles. My oldest boy is currently captivated with "I Am The Walrus" to the point I'm about ready to Goo Goo Ga Joob him upside the head because he plays it constantly.

Yesterday I had my youngest boy in the car and I was listening to some old Alice Cooper.... Ballad of Dwight Frye, Halo of Flies, Generation Landslide, etc.... but when it got to No More Mr Nice guy he flipped out - "Dad, Is this a new band? Did you just buy this?".... "Uh, no son, it's only about 40 years old." LOL

I might be wrong as rain and just getting old, but I can't see my kids, when they're my age, wanting to share Lady Gaga, and some of the stuff they listen to today, with their kids.

[GAC]

Originally Posted by westofyou

Radio used to be a much more vibrant and diversified format on the FM dial, much, much, much more.

Once upon a time playlists were unique to each DJ and suits didn't own the turntable

I remember when there was only AM radio, and Hey Jude, which was 8 minutes long, broke the barrier. LOL

[Razor Shines]

Originally Posted by *BaseClogger*

If I could time travel to see a great band perform in their heyday, no doubt Zep would be near the top of my list. But this is generally how I feel about reunions. if bands are no longer recording new music, they generally lack the vigor and life to make paying the inordinate prices worthwhile.

Why not go see this generation's Led Zeppelin (or at least performers in their prime)?

You mean The Airborne Toxic Event? Hey everybody he's talking about The Airborne Toxic Event.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk