Blitz Dorsey (03-14-2013),RedFanAlways1966 (03-14-2013)
Is this the Nick Esasky vertigo thread?
Everything that can be counted does not necessarily count; everything that counts cannot necessarily be counted.
All the dishes rattle in the cupboards when the elephants arrive
Griffey played for years on the turf in Seattle. It's no surprise his legs gave out. Larkin played for years on the turf in Cincy. His body gave out towards the end, too. But he had his prime years in Cincy, so we remember him for that. Griffey's prime was somewhere else, and we witnessed his greatness on the backside of his career. The fans, and the front office, are more at fault than Jr. Griffey gave it his all. Remember when he separated his shoulder diving for a ball in center field? Sure, he put on some weight. Seen Jeter lately? So has he.
RedEye (03-15-2013),Revering4Blue (03-14-2013)
Everything that can be counted does not necessarily count; everything that counts cannot necessarily be counted.
All the dishes rattle in the cupboards when the elephants arrive
RadfordVA (03-15-2013)
I knew it was over the moment Jr decided to get married and have kids. Yet another promising career pissed away.
"This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
I blame Bob Boone.
Wear gaudy colors, or avoid display. Lay a million eggs or give birth to one. The fittest shall survive, yet the unfit may live. Be like your ancestors or be different. We must repeat!
Well, that's what those words mean. He was here. If they don't keep him, he will have been lost/subtracted. I headed out the door today with two shoes on my feet. If I don't return with them, I have lost them. If I do return with them, I haven't added them. ---M2
757690 (03-21-2013)
anyone who puts griff and Jeter in the same sentence just plain does not know what jeter does in the offseason.....
do some research and see how dedicated Jeter is in the offseason to keeping his weight down.....I am not saying jr did not, some people just have it in their gene pool to gain weight once they start getting a certain age and others stay thin regardless of what they eat or how often they exercise.....but jeter is not one who does not work out or "not diet" in the winter months.....the dude spent an entire off season in the some odd country so he could better eat their diet......he claims to never consumer more calories than he burns for 6 out of 7 days a week.....Nick Swisher said he ordered a pizza once to the clubhouse and Jeter made him get it out of the clubhouse....Giambi used to talk about how Jeter would get to the park at 6am and take grounders for a few hours then hit BP and then nap in the clubhouse....this was after playing a night game the evening before.....the dude is dedicated to his profession.....so was griff but even griff will tell you that age caught up with him and he didnt want to fight it.......I know we cant believe everything Marty said about ken but Marty once said that Ken quit working out once he realized that age had caught up with him......
with that said, Griff is still one of my favorite players of all time....but I have actually showed my kids video of Griff playing for the Reds and made them watch how he would not hustle and how little he truly tried......we all can love griff to death just like I do, but the dude was not a model for hustle like pete rose or Jeter, in fact I would argue that Griff and Jeter are on opposite ends of the "dedication" spectrum.
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