Anyone watching this other game? O's just took a 2-1 lead.
Anyone watching this other game? O's just took a 2-1 lead.
"Reality tells us there are no guarantees. Except that some day Jon Lester will be on that list of 100-game winners." - Peter Gammons
Thank goodness this time tomorrow we'll be arguing about the Reds instead of the Cardinals.
It's actually a great game. Saunders is mystifying the Rangers by throwing some key double play balls.
This one actually feels like a playoff game. The Braves/Cards felt like a spring training game.
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The umpire was waiting to see if the infielder ever had to give more than ordinary effort and more importantly, had to see how long the ball would hang up giving the shortstop a chance to make a solid play on the ball. Since he never sprinted or never had to turn his back, he thus never had to give more than ordinary effort. The umpire was giving the benefit of the doubt to make sure he didn't have to since it was hit so high and so deep into the outfield.
Again, I'm not trying to be as blunt as this but I have no choice... your interpretation of how ordinary effort is defined isn't correct. There is no hard and fast rule, but generally speaking, umpires use running/sprinting/turning one's back as a guideline as to whether more than ordinary effort was given.
I was told over and over in umpires camp that you can wait to the very last second to make the call if it takes that long before you're sure an ordinary effort can be made. Whether you like it or agree with it or not, that is absolutely how umpires are trained. George has already said as much earlier in this thread and I'm certain he will agree with that.
"No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference." ~Tommy Lasorda
Been watching O's-Rangers since Bottom 1st. Has been a pretty good game. Didn't really get the trainers coming out, didn't really see anything with Darvish there, then that mess with the translator, but whatever. Don't really have much rooting interest here- I often root for TEX in the playoffs because they're usually there, and they're more likable than the Yankees. However, what a story BAL has been.
Oh... and so ends the night for Saunders.
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I'd rather listen to Kelch read the phone book than suffer through Thom Brennaman's attempt to make every instance on the field the most important event since the discovery of manned space flight. -westofyou
You were told in umpire camp that you can wait to make an infield fly call?
You first said the rule didn't say immediately. Now you're saying tou can wait all day and THEN make the call immediately after you took ten seconds to reach your decision.
I'm hung up on it because the rule is made for the benefit if the runner and no one else. How...does the runner know to risk advancing a base if the umpire doesn't immediately make the call? What point does that serve?
My 9 year old daughter was at Larry Wayne's final game. There were plenty of tears tonight when she got home with the neighbors who took her.
I'm no Braves apologist, but if I was at the game, I would've thrown my beer on the field, too. That was a horrible call.
And for the record, there are very few things I like more than beer.
Seriously, take it up with the rules committee, major league baseball and all the instructional camps that have been teaching umpires to apply the rule in that form since its inception.
Unless you think I'm a liar, I don't know why you're being so aggressive with me. I'm just telling you that is how it's enforced.
It does NOT have to be apparent that an ordinary effort can be given right away. It doesn't have to be apparent halfway through the play. It can be apparent right up at the very last second and still be considered ordinary if the fielder never had to give extraordinary effort.
You still haven't explained how it wasn't ordinary when the fielder never had to sprint to get to the ball. He was back pedaling the entire time and never had to turn his back into an all out sprint. Some would say that's ordinary.
And even if you wouldn't, the threshold is not whether it should have been apparent immediately. He only has to call it when, in his judgment, it does become apparent.
That is the rule. I'm 1,000 percent confident on that. That's how I was taught it, how I practiced it during drills and how I enforced it during legion games. That's how I learned it from former minor league umpires that taught me. That's how I read it in manuals and case books.
If you think I'm lying, fine. But unless you think I'm lying, I'm telling you flat out how it's taught and how the rule is applied. Eliminate all your preconceived notions of what you think it should be. Because they're leading you down the wrong path on this.
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