This.Originally Posted by PuffyPig
The Rolen deal got us where we needed to go.
This.
The Rolen deal got us where we needed to go.
Maybe.
Or maybe it was actually Orlando Cabrera that got the Reds where they needed to go.
Seeing as how the Reds were never really in it this year sans Rolen, and his age plus health makes his 8+ million dollar salary for next year for who knows what kind of performance a little albatrossy.
Post ASB 2010 .277 .352 .420 .772
All of 2011 .242 .279 .397 .676
And he turns 37 in April.
So, I was in the overpaid camp. I was pretty alone in the "don't trade for him camp". And I still believe that. Especially if next year is more of the same as this year. Shoulder injuries sap power. Especially for guys with chronic back problems as well.
Last edited by TRF; 09-06-2011 at 04:15 PM.
Dubito Ergo Cogito Ergo Sum.
I was against the trade. I still think we overpaid. However, I don't think the Reds win the division w/o Rolen last year, so I wouldn't undo the trade. It's easy to forget, but he was nearly a 5 win player last year. A rebound from Rolen will be one of the biggest keys to a successful season for the Reds in 2012, IMO.
Well considering that Rolen was a near elite 3rd basemen last season, and Cabrera stunk, I'm leaning towards thinking that Rolen was the more valuable player.
He was near elite for half a season. not so much the second half.
Dubito Ergo Cogito Ergo Sum.
2011 37 year old 3B
Exactly what kind of rebound is anyone really expecting?Code:RK PLAYER TEAM AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO AVG OBP SLG OPS 1 Geoff Blum ARI 21 5 6 1 0 2 5 0 0 2 5 .286 .348 .619 .967 2 Chipper Jones ATL 372 48 103 26 1 15 60 2 2 45 61 .277 .352 .473 .825 3 Miguel Cairo CIN 227 32 60 8 2 7 31 2 3 17 32 .264 .331 .410 .740 4 Casey Blake LAD 202 32 51 10 1 4 26 1 2 26 50 .252 .342 .371 .713 5 Omar Vizquel CHW 158 17 39 6 1 0 8 1 2 9 17 .247 .284 .297 .581 6 Miguel Tejada SF 322 28 77 16 0 4 26 4 4 12 35 .239 .270 .326 .596 7 Melvin Mora ARI 127 5 29 6 0 0 16 0 1 2 24 .228 .244 .276 .520
Dubito Ergo Cogito Ergo Sum.
Can I hope for a Geoff Blum type of slash line?
I'd be thrilled to get Chipper's offensive production.
Four of those seven players improved their OPS+ over the previous year. Why would an increase in production be such a surprise?
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Justin Verlander needs to watch his back now. Just saying.
Cabrera had an OPS+ last year of 76, Rolen had 126.
You've got to be kidding.
Orlando had this line in 388 PAs in the 1st half
.245/.283/.329/.612
That's something that holds a team back, not lifts it up.
I just threw up a little bit.
Unfortunately, Paul Janish makes those numbers look Hall of Fameish.
Were you just trying to rhyme Janish with Fameish? It almost worked.
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