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Originally Posted by teamselig
FWIW, this ESPN article discusses potential B12 expansion back to 12 and Cincinnati gets no mention.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/st...us-source-says
For me, the issue is commitment to football. While a program like West Virginia has inherent issues, you can't question their commitment to the football program. Cincinnati has some positives, but they can't overcome UC's failure to bring its football program to an acceptable BCS level. Would you want to share a slice of the pie with a program that doesn't seem to care?
How do we know he's not Mel Torme?
I wouldn't be shocked if the Big XII decided to be a bit more proactive and try to expand beyond 12, mostly as an attempt to prevent this kind of instability during the next round of expansion. Obviously losing Texas or Oklahoma would still be catastrophic but by expanding beyond 12 they'd be better able to absorb the loss of a school like Missouri and still be able to have a conference championship game.
Whether or not UC would be included in that sort of expansion remains to be seen. The way things stand, UC probably isn't a particularly attractive option but as you point out there probably aren't a ton of programs that would seriously consider joining the Big XII that would make an immediate financial impact. As such I think the Big XII is likely going to have to show a little more foresight and look to add programs that have the potential to be more valuable down the road. I think UC is the kind of program that would meet that sort of criteria, being located in a decent size TV market in an area beyond the conference's current footprint.
From a UC fan's perspective, being able to join a Big XII conference which still has Texas and Oklahoma would be a huge win. I'm still skeptical that it's even a possibility, but I'd be extremely excited if that were to transpire.
I agree that this is a very real possibility. Although UC has been very quiet on the issue, and those who claim to have "sources" (for whatever that's worth) continue to assert that UC is much better positioned than the conventional wisdom. Maybe they're selling false hope, I don't know. I do know that UC is selling their academics, and especially their research, which sits ahead of both U of L and WVU. Does anyone know how much the Big XIII cares about academics?
UC needs one of the two scenarios to unfold:
The first and best option for UC is to have the Big XII return to 12 and bank on BYU wanting to remain independent (they've turned down the Big XII before). Texas will prevent TCU from entering the conference, and UC sits 3rd in the remaining Big East pecking order behind U of L and WVU but ahead of USF.
The second option is for the Big XII to return to ten schools with BYU being the 10th school (Texas does not want a championship game). Everyone else in the Big East stays put (highly unlikely with UConn and Rutgers with nearly both feet out the door). But at the least the Big East remains in tact as a conference, even if far less viable than the other BCS conferences.
One thing that will help is getting butts in the seats tomorrow night. Promo code: BLACKOUT for $20 tickets to see what will be an entertaining match-up.
Last edited by paintmered; 09-21-2011 at 09:47 PM. Reason: Realized I have too many "I"s in my roman numerals.
All models are wrong. Some of them are useful.
This has been debated ad-nauseum in this thread. But just to recap:
Pro's:
- Very loyal fan base that will sell out games
- Extends into the Pittsburgh market, which is pretty good sized. ACC or Hybrid-Conference would also add Charleston and Huntington (SEC is already there)
- In addition to Pittsburgh, most WVU graduates disperse following graduation. There is a following along the east coast, mainly in Pennsylvania, Maryland, Virginia, and North Carolina.
Cons:
- While loyal, WVU fans have a reputation of stupid fan incidents.
- West Virginia offers nothing in terms of recruiting value.
- The TV market will pick up for the state alone and some outside, but other teams have better credentials.
- Academically, might as well call it South Pitt Technical College. Academics is why Pitt and Syracuse made it to the ACC.
- Traveling isn't the greatest.
Apparently, Don Beebe is out as Big XII commish. Being a stooge for Texas, could this mean that the Big XII is set to expand to at least twelve?
I like UC's chances, if so.
All models are wrong. Some of them are useful.
In spite of Yahoo giving it a link name that implies the opposite of what the article says, This Article from Rivals about the results of the Big East meeting seems to describe a league in the process of collapsing. A glimmer of hope for those who'd like to see WVU in the SEC, perhaps, though.
I think the SEC would take VA Tech in a second but the snag is that they probably wouldn't go anywhere without Virginia because their cousin.
Latest I've heard is that the SEC has definitely turned down WVU, has definitely extended and offer to Mizzou and would realign with Auburn switching to the east.
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I've heard so many things that my head feels like its been through a spin cycle. Got people on a board I visit speaking in code, speaking in poem, pulling stuff out of their backsides, I dunno. But everyone seems to know what the SEC is going to do but there hasn't been a word out of Mike Slive or Oliver Luck's mouth. So everything is conjecture.
Originally Posted by teamselig
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And even then, do you take it?
1. The conference is basically going to be the AAA of college sports. The four superconferences are set, so any future raiding would be of the remaining Big 12, Big East, or other midmajors.
2. If you move to the Big 12, odds are it is going to be a traveling nightmare with WVU being the furthest school east. For revenue generating sports, such as football, this can be overlooked. For nonrevenue sports such as lacrosse, this becomes an issue.
If I were WVU, I would stay put in a newly formed Big East, even if it sinks so bad that Marshall gets an invite. Become the Boise of the Big East in all sports and when the SEC/ACC looks to expand again, take it and don't look back.
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