Why did Cingrani start Sunday?

[OnBaseMachine]

I don't know about that. I thought Pedro did a good job keeping the Reds in the game and located his pitches very well. I wouldn't be mad if Tony got Cueto's next scheduled start but would that be fair to Pedro?

Is that you Pedro? I can't tell if you're joking or not, but that was one of the worst pitching performances I've seen. The Reds basically punted that game. He has no business being in the major leagues, especially on a contending team.

[Brutus]

Is that you Pedro? I can't tell if you're joking or not, but that was one of the worst pitching performances I've seen. The Reds basically punted that game. He has no business being in the major leagues, especially on a contending team.

It was a bad performance, but let's ease up on the hyperbole a bit. Six runs in about four innings is not remotely close to being among the worst performances ever. It's bad, yes. But there are some guys that give up that many runs without making it out of a single inning.

[GAC]

It's bad, yes. But there are some guys that give up that many runs without making it out of a single inning.

And some of them are on this starting staff. I can think of three.... Arroyo, Bailey, and Leake. It happens.

It wasn't a good performance by Pedro, but he exited the game when we were only down 2 runs (6-4), and basically still in it. Plenty of blame can be aimed at Simon and Parra who in 3 innings gave up 6 runs (3 Hrs). I don't think either has has much work this year, and Dusty threw them out wanting to preserve the "heart" of his BP for the Card series.

[UK Reds Fan]

It was a bad performance, but let's ease up on the hyperbole a bit. Six runs in about four innings is not remotely close to being among the worst performances ever. It's bad, yes. But there are some guys that give up that many runs without making it out of a single inning.

In a pennant race where it is going to come down to a 2-3 game race...it matters when you punt a game, which Reds did last night. Stuff like this, insisting on Broxton in the 8th with his current performance, etc.. is costing possible wins for the team.

[Redlegs]

Which was Monday IIRC, and the day after TC's start in Toledo.

Coddle thy pitchers

Cueto pitched May 31. Cingrani pitched June 2. The Reds knew Cueto felt pain on May 31. I'm just surprised they didn't make more effort to cover their bases. Approaching the middle of the season in a tight pennant race and they put themselves in a spot where they have to go with their 2nd or 3rd guy in the rotation at AAA.

"He felt it a little bit after he pitched in Pittsburgh [Friday]," Baker said. "He told us after the game he felt it again. But like I said, it's not nearly as bad as last time, so we just think being cautious is the way to go with this thing."

[redsmetz]

In a pennant race where it is going to come down to a 2-3 game race...it matters when you punt a game, which Reds did last night. Stuff like this, insisting on Broxton in the 8th with his current performance, etc.. is costing possible wins for the team.

As someone noted, when Pedro left the game, we were just down 2 runs. The shellacking came from the relievers and that happens from time to time. Heck, I was struck that the Cardinals were beat up just as badly as the Reds (one run difference).

Now that said, ultimately the losses can't mount up. I've said repeatedly that I'm haunted by the '99 season where all we needed was having won just one other game throughout the entire season and that playoff game wouldn't have occurred. But there are enough candidates in this season of that "one more game". I don't believe the club "punted" yesterday's game. It just got away. Time now to take care of business with the 1st place club. It's not critical, but this is where our place is in our hands. Head to head, time to get it done. It's the easiest way to make headway in getting back in first place.

[Chip R]

Cueto pitched May 31. Cingrani pitched June 2. The Reds knew Cueto felt pain on May 31. I'm just surprised they didn't make more effort to cover their bases. Approaching the middle of the season in a tight pennant race and they put themselves in a spot where they have to go with their 2nd or 3rd guy in the rotation at AAA.

"He felt it a little bit after he pitched in Pittsburgh [Friday]," Baker said. "He told us after the game he felt it again. But like I said, it's not nearly as bad as last time, so we just think being cautious is the way to go with this thing."

It could have been soreness like people get when they physically exert themselves. They probably decided to give it a couple of days and then see how he was on Tuesday. It wasn't better on Tuesday or Wednesday so they scratched him.

[_Sir_Charles_]

It was a bad performance, but let's ease up on the hyperbole a bit. Six runs in about four innings is not remotely close to being among the worst performances ever. It's bad, yes. But there are some guys that give up that many runs without making it out of a single inning.

Exactly. Don't forget, we had 2 guys in our pen give up 6 runs in TWO innings.

[Ohayou]

I don't know about that. I thought Pedro did a good job keeping the Reds in the game and located his pitches very well. I wouldn't be mad if Tony got Cueto's next scheduled start but would that be fair to Pedro?

[Chip R]

I don't know about that. I thought Pedro did a good job keeping the Reds in the game and located his pitches very well. I wouldn't be mad if Tony got Cueto's next scheduled start but would that be fair to Pedro?

I'm sure he was told that this was most likely going to be 1 start and then he goes back to LOU. In the meantime, he gets a big league paycheck for a week. Perhaps he can soak up some wisdom from the older players and coaches that will help him be a better pitcher. Seems pretty fair to me.

[Bumstead]

I think what would be fair to the Reds is if they DFA Pedro (or suggest he run for president...), and save the Reds from themselves in ever thinking of calling him up again. He is not a MLB pitcher; not on this team. I understand timing but of all the options...C'mon...why punt that game from the start?

Bum

[Tony Cloninger]

Is that you Pedro? I can't tell if you're joking or not, but that was one of the worst pitching performances I've seen. The Reds basically punted that game. He has no business being in the major leagues, especially on a contending team.

You never saw that Jeff Austin in ATL game back in around 2002-03?
That was a thing of beauty. I think he gave up 5 homers in the 1st two innings.
That is who Pedro reminded me of.

[OnBaseMachine]

It was a bad performance, but let's ease up on the hyperbole a bit. Six runs in about four innings is not remotely close to being among the worst performances ever. It's bad, yes. But there are some guys that give up that many runs without making it out of a single inning.

Stuff wise, it was one of the worst I've seen. He combined below average stuff with below average command/control. It's stunning the Reds would send someone like that out there in the middle of a pennant race. Even more stunning is the fact that Dusty Baker thought it was a good idea to leave him in to face Gonzalez. Who didn't see that coming?

btw, I didn't say it was among the worst performances ever. I said it was among the worst I've seen.

[texasdave]

I don't know about that. I thought Pedro did a good job keeping the Reds in the game and located his pitches very well. I wouldn't be mad if Tony got Cueto's next scheduled start but would that be fair to Pedro?

This post was tongue-in-cheek. The poster wasn't serious.

[scott91575]

Yeah, everyone has bad outings. Yet those other guys don't have an ERA over 5 in AAA. The guy is not good right now and should not be pitching in major league baseball, end of story.